The Sunday Law: Doug Wilson vs. SDA Pastor | REACTION

Well hey there it has been a minute since I’ve done a reaction video but we are circling back around to the pastor of kenor SDA church I believe his name is James someone sent us a video of him responding to an interview that I did with Pastor Douglas Wilson from Christ Church up in Moscow Idaho where we talked about the SDA theory of a coming Sunday law so this should be interesting but before we get into it I want to remind you all that if you like what we’re doing here and you want to support us you can become a channel member by clicking the join button down below this

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Think and I think uh Mr Douglas was very balanced in his answer as well by the way really nice guy here is the thing that I think they completely missed right first of all and many Christian nationalists and I’ve argued this before on my channel are not bad people many Christians or nationalists are not trying to rewrite the Constitution or trying to install persecutions There is almost an an outrage from the left that everything that is in Christian nationalism is anti-human anti Democratic and so on and I will say that’s actually not true I’ve actually

Spoken to a number of them some of them are my friends and they do not think exactly like that and I think what you just heard here from Mr Douglas is actually a very balanced response of what many Christian nationalists do think and I think if you if you make Sunday law a matter of just Christian nationalists I think you’re missing the mark because many of these people who are Christian nationalists or not bad people they really wants to make the country a better place they really believe that uh things are not good in this country and they are really trying

To solve and and address the W ideology they’re trying to address uh they’re trying to stand for religious Constitution and everything uh religious freedom and they want to to uphold the Constitution of the United States they don’t believe it’s all a Bad Thing having the law of God in in school teaching children principles of the gospel and and so on these are not things the seventh evst should be against these are things that we actually I’m I’m all I’m all for I agree with I think they all good when is this going to go too far first of all the

National Sunday law is bigger than Christian nationalist Christian nationalist themselves may have good intent that doesn’t necessarily mean they understand the nature of of what they are doing and promoting they’re laying the foundation but they are not in of themselves the one who is making going to make it happen well great James then you proved the thesis of the video which is exactly why I did that discussion he just essentially admitted that Doug Wilson isn’t doing what many sdas have claimed about him that was the point it wasn’t to exhaustively address

Every Christian nationalist individual out there because that title is a broad umbrella of varying individuals across a spectrum my interview with Doug had nothing to do with that it was about Doug specifically he said the national Sunday law is bigger than Christian nationalist I started laughing there at the end right and nowhere was it claimed that the theory doesn’t claim such this interview was about Doug Wilson specifically lots of Adventists had a meltdown over this discussion and they all latched onto this clip which was basically a teaser to promote the full

Discussion which you saw on the screen while he was talking and all of the responses I’ve heard missed the mark and the point by trying to draw out of the discussion more than what was claimed or under investigation I literally read from last day events in the clip that he played where Ellen claimed this is going to lead to International disdain for Adventists and the whole world will supposedly be irate with them and hunt them down for being 7th day sabari so obviously we know the claim is bigger than just modern-day waves of Christian nationalist thought but it’s always

Interesting hearing the whole Doug is a nice guy but he doesn’t know what he’s doing line which I brought this up with Doug in the introduction of the interview that this will be the claim from Adventist am I a prophet now that Doug doesn’t realize he’s a tool of Satan essentially he may think he’s doing a noble cause but he’s basically deceived which only begs the question that was under investigation that was the whole point it was to test about Doug Wilson specifically because the entire point was that what Doug is advocating for has nothing to do with laying the groundwork

For a Sunday law there may be people out there that do indeed hold to a view where their Theory could logically lead to what the SD have theorized but not with Doug again the interview was about Doug Wilson specifically not all Christian nationalist flavors out there because I’m aware there’s a spectrum let me explain to you what I mean by that there’s a lot of other things in Prophecy that I think they’re not seeing number one is the idea that let me go let me go here to to better understand what’s going to happen um I did a sermon recently I mean yeah there we go it’s

Called the swelling of the Jordan so I’m going to put it on my screen here there it is right there you need to go watch this the swelling of the Jordan it’s on my YouTube channel it’s on the on the church YouTube channel it’s called how it says this uh watch how the swelling of the Jordan parallels with the mark of the beast crisis so it’s a 53 minute sermons and I will encourage you to go through the whole thing because I’ve marched through it step by step step by step till I get to the point where I show you how this thing is going to swell up it doesn’t happen just like

That and like mil says here and he is correct it’s a massive leap it’s not going to jump up we’re not going to go from oh just religious freedom to National Sunday law that’s not how the devil works it never works that way okay of worship but I think when you dig into those sorts of things kind of like you said it’s it’s really it doesn’t fit the bill at all for what they’re they’re saying is is coming so there’s kind of a big jump that has to happen exactly there has to be a big jump and and I think if you look at what happened doing pestilence 19 pandemic what happened

Doing that we saw a big jump we went from almost like everything is okay this virus came out of nowhere and then like the unvaccinated are evil unless you take this thing you apart you know what I’m saying it’s almost like and you saw this divisiveness happen in the world and certain mandates and laws were put in place it happens overnight uh for example um when the Twin Towers fell for example the laws changed overnight it was more like yeah this happened now we have an enemy now we got a reason to go to war and then the laws fails and then all of a sudden we have uh uh we have

Our privacy being invaded right and then Ed Edward Snowden had to come into the picture and begin to expose what was going on within the government how did that happen well it took a crisis right so he claims I missed what all is going on here but nowhere did I claim this was an exhaustive presentation or a discussion I had 20 minutes of Doug’s time and had to be as succinct as possible to test a very specific claim this was not an exhaustive presentation on the SDA theory for example notice from an article on our website titled what is the mark of the beast it starts

With a quote from the SDA Bible commentary when the test comes it will be clearly shown what the mark of the beast is it is the keeping of Sunday the Seventh Adventist Church teaches that the mark of the beast will eventually be ceasing from labor and worshiping on Sunday which they call the papal Sabbath after a national turned International Sunday law is passed mandating that everyone worship and rest on Sundays this law will supposedly come at the behest of a three-fold union between the Roman Catholic papacy apostate protestantism and spiritualism as Ellen

G white the SDA Church’s propheus writes in her book evangelism the change of the Sabbath is the sign or Mark of the authority of the romish church those who understanding the claims of the fourth Commandment choose to observe the false Sabbath in the place of the true are thereby paying homage to That Power by which alone it is commanded the mark of the beast is the papal Sabbath which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment so this alleged three-fold Union between Roman Catholicism apostate protestantism and

Spiritualism is working in Union with one another to legislate the papal Sabbath starting in America eventually spreading to the entire world so yes I know it won’t allegedly be instantaneous and James even recognized this when he played the tapback but James you missed what I was saying because this was in the context of Doug Wilson himself what I’ve heard Adventists claiming about Doug doesn’t actually align with what doug himself self is saying not even as a stepping stone for the supposed endgame that’s coming that he’s some tool of Satan and he doesn’t even know

It but then he mentioned the covid-19 pandemic and that supposedly being proofed that there’s going to be this big jump for a Sunday law James I was talking about a massive jump in logic basically what SD have theorized about Doug Wilson requires a massive leap in logic to connect him to your guys’s wild Theory as some sort of evidence that the ground is being laid for your theory but this will be the NeverEnding marryg go round for the SDA Church unfortunately unfortunately this theological parasite will continue to metastasize regardless of what is going

On in the world because there will always be some new thing for them to latch on to and claim as evidence for this ridiculous Theory no matter how illogical it is no matter how far-fetched it is they will always just account for it as some demonic miracle that will occur due to some crazy event that happens out in the world and all of that is supposed to override logic and reason I mean they’ve been doing this for 170 years now but apparently the globalists are going to bring about some sort of false flag attack that will change the law overnight making this

Massive jump into a national Sunday law it’s like there really isn’t any way of reason with a person who thinks this way because literally any sort of whataboutism can be employed to keep the fledgling Theory alive no matter how disconnected it is from reality it’s like think about this folks the claim is that the Sunday law will come at the behest of a threefold union between apostate protestantism Roman Catholicism and spiritualism that the government is going to be overrun with individuals from those three parties who are going to be United in mandating them law which

According to Ellen White will fully disconnect the nation from righteousness you know cuz America’s totally Tethered to to righteousness right now okay but that’s one of the central tenants of this and he’s saying a covid-19 like pandemic or the terror attack of 911 is a somewhat similar picture of how the Sunday law will come about so Protestants Roman Catholics and spiritualists are going to latch on to some sort of global attack or crisis in some form and use that to mandate a national Sunday worship mandate law of some sort it’s just silliness like which one is it is it

Going to be gradual and slowly be worked in or is it going to be a global catastrophe that just boom and then that’ll be latched on to to be used to Usher this in over it’s like make up your mind make up your mind again people that are willing to embrace any sort of wild Theory like this will look for anything they can to try and uphold the theory being valid because their starting basil assumption is that the theory is indeed true you’re not in a state of of critical analyzing and thinking when you’re thinking that way so I’m going to come back and explain what I mean by

That so number one to better understand how this is going to happen I will I will say you don’t want to rely on uring adventism who is a Critic of the 7 Adventist Church who is not trying to get to the truth who seems to be promoting his ideas and there’s a lot of unbelief is everything is EMP s Day Adventist so I don’t think this is the place where you want to get your truth when it comes to that um I love the caricatured representation of this platform which is easily debunked by simply reading our mission statement if you’re a former Adventist it

Automatically means everything you say about adventism is WR wrong okay again James this interview was about attesting a very specific Claim about Douglas Wilson not giving an exhaustive rundown on your guys’s Theory furthermore answering adventism isn’t for your audience meaning it’s not targeted at your audience it’s not targeted at Adventist it’s been months since we last listened to this gentleman and he still hasn’t bothered to read our mission statement this platform is for Christians to help equip them to better understand the language barrier between

Adventism and how Christians are using terms we don’t mean the same things when we use fundamental Christian terminology but last time we listened to this gentleman it was clear who had and hadn’t done their homework I don’t think there is a was a single objection that he raised that wasn’t proven by primary source documentation to support the claim that I made and of course the only response from people is well that’s out of context yeah the last ditch Hail Mary response when it can’t be demonstrated that anything is being misrepresented but then he said I’m not actually

Seeking truth James how could you possibly know this how could you possibly know this this is just an outright lie you couldn’t possibly know what my intentions are none of you could whether you’re a fan of me a hater of me whatever it might be you could you couldn’t possibly know this I’m not actually I don’t actually care about truth this is the same individual by the way that claimed that my appearance in another video he responded to proved that I’m a spiritually broken man that needs prayer except no I had a newborn and was sleep deprived and the video was a quick

Introduction to this YouTube channel for people to know some basic reasons about why I left adventism so I’m not sure uh James that you’re the most accurate barometer of whether or not I actually care about the truth the tagline of this ministry folks is because truth matters which is a response to the question why does answering adventism exist that’s the answer because truth matters it exists precisely because I seek to contend for such you simply don’t like that I take umbrage with your guys as aberant Theology and believe people need warned

Against the dambly heretical aspects that are subtly baked into the cake so you make claims like you did that don’t have any actual Merit because again it’s easier to do that it’s easier to just fire up your computer and just listen and then just have some bullet points and just shoot from the hip and just what have you it’s a lot easier to do that than it is to actually do the grunt work of going through and actually engaging with my homework I would say it’s best to go to history it’s best to go to the Bible and if you stick to the Bible instead of the

YouTube Scholars you will escape a lot of deception James you are incredibly ill-informed I’ve never claimed to be a scholar and our audience just heard this and know this because I’m on record constantly saying exactly the opposite I don’t claim to be a scholar it’s why I constantly cite actual Scholars to show people it’s not me just talking out the side of my neck trying to be something I’m not I’m very open about this so what are you talking about you’re literally just shooting from the hip here and you’re doing the Poison the Well thing again before you get into your

Presentation before I get into it I just want to remind you guys don’t listen to this guy don’t listen to him he has no idea what he’s talking about he’s totally clueless he doesn’t care about the truth he has ill emotives he has ill intention okay now let’s get into it yeah good poisoning of the well on the one hand the SDA church and Adventists love to tout that they’re Heirs of the Reformation yet they’ll equate standard basic Universal Reformation teaching to be deception that you need to be on the lookout for it’s like the amount of double standards

And Ill logic with this movement is astonishing he said just go with the Bible yeah that’s rich considering the last time that we were listening to this individual but what he really means is just go with the SDA Church’s alleged infallible interpretation of the Bible because the last time we reacted to this guy we saw how he wasn’t even aware of the sources on this and claimed I was misrepresenting an ill-informed on Adventist teaching but this is also insight into the Assumption by many Adventists that they just read the Bible and no one else

Does everything they they believe is just it’s just apparently just plainly there in the Bible even though they have all sorts of doctrinal Novelties which would mean that no one was really studying the Bible until they came along such a joke it’s like this mindset permeates adventism Christian you have to understand they basically think no one was reading the Bible through the Middle Ages Luther basically like rediscovered it and started reading it and just started learning all these things that were supposedly lost and there’s just been an ongoing you know

Process of that leading to the Seventh Day Adventist but no one was really reading the Bible but it’s just such a joke it’s like a total caricature of History which is part for the course for adventism James you are kidding yourself if you think you guys just go with the Bible you’re currently trying to to give an apologetic on a national turned International Sunday law at the behest of a three-fold union between apostate Protestants Roman Catholicism and spiritualism and that this Sunday law will be the mark of the beast yeah and this is allegedly just go with the Bible

That’s just what you’ll arrive at if you just read the Bible yet give me a break the amount of stretching through typology that you guys have to do to try and prove this stuff is just astonishing furthermore notice what one of your general conference presidents had to say about this our position on the testimonies is like the Keystone to the arch take that out and there’s no logical stopping Place till all the special truths of the message are gone our enemies and the master they serve realize this but some of our people are so blind that they do not nothing

Nothing is sure than this that the message and the Visions belong together and stand or fall together your guys’ theory around the Sunday law is one of your guys’ alleged special truths that one must utilize both scripture and the visions of Ellen White to truly understand nothing is sure than this they’re a package deal and he also says some of you guys in the movement are too blind to recognize this his words not mine furthermore your organization tells us in the Adventist belief fundamental beliefs book one can’t even understand the Bible properly without her writings

Otherwise we will allegedly misinterpret it and this is an excerpt from Uriah Smith in the review in Herald the same thing being found in the current statement of confidence in her writings which is put out by the GC which says that her writings correct inaccurate interpretations of scripture so let’s not try and act like you guys just use the Bible and no one else does because your accusation about me is nullified by simply listening to this platform to see how much scripture we discuss and we actually utilize the historical grammatical method which your

Organizational leadership tells us is the only approved hermeneutic in the SDA church the church accepts only I’m going to underline that only the historical biblical or historical grammatical method of interpreting scripture allowing the Bible to interpret itself line upon line verse upon verse precept upon precept through the power of the Holy Spirit and I have yet to see you engage with any of my biblical ex Jesus of Any Given passage whether it be from video or an article on our website it is just these half-baked assertions that are easily

Falsified by simply listening number one Ecclesiastes chapter 1:9 tells us that the things that have been it is that which shall be and that which is done it is that which shall be done and there is no new thing under the sun and the idea is that history repeats itself the things that has happened in the past are going to happen again number two Ecclesiastes tells us 3: 14 and 15 say I know I know that whatever God doeth it shall be done forever nothing can be put to it or not anything taken from it and God do with it and that men should fear before him for that which has been is

Now and that which is to be has already been he is the next few words god require with that which is passed and the idea is God demands that we study the past God requires that we spend time looking into history to understand the future the best way to understand where we are going is to look at where we have been the best way to understand what’s in the future is by taking a look at at the review mirror of the past so folks this is the same old chain of text and reasoning that sdas have been using for decades starting with the claim that there’s nothing new Under the Sun and

History repeats itself so therefore just like Rome persecuted Christians and violated the liberty of conscience in the Middle Ages that will repeat itself in the future but it’ll be much worse this is of course coming from Ellen White first notice from one of her manuscripts this is from 1899 history repeats itself the same masterful mind that plotted against the faithful in ages past is now at work to gain control of the falling churches that through them he may condemn and put to death all who will not worship the idol Sabbath and then in Last Day Events where she

Writes the persec tions of Protestants by romanism by which the religion of Jesus Christ was almost annihilated will be more than rivaled when protestantism and popery are combined think about if we consistently applied Ecclesiastes the way that he tried to literally every single thing under the sun will happen over and over and over again otherwise it’s arbitrary to latch onto only events you think help your theory so because the preacher in Ecclesiastes in his prologue St states that Under the Sun there’s nothing new that therefore proves that the Sunday law theor is

Biblical because in the past people were persecuted for their lurgical practices yeah and people were persecuted in the past for all sorts of beliefs that doesn’t therefore support your guys’s theory around the Sunday law this is exactly what I was getting at with Doug in you have to make massive leaps in logic and reason not just what we see going on in the world that there has to be this huge jump forward yeah that’s true too but no you are illogical this is silly it’s not it’s not sound reasoning Adventist wake up it’s not sound nothing’s happening nothing is

Happening so this is why Mark twne will say history doesn’t repeat itself but it often Rhymes so what we’re going to see is that the same thing that had happened in the past are going to emerge again in different forms and the thing about typology it’s never meant to be identical it’s only similar so we’re going to see things that has happened in the history of our world they are going to happen again but it’s going to happen for a different front with a different ideology they’re going to be different reasons behind it but nevertheless history is still rhyming

But the venger is this and I think a lot of the people who are criticizing this idea that there will be a national Sunday law this is what they fail to understand the only thing we learn from history is that we love and learn from history we don’t look at history correctly and often time when people are talking about this they don’t take a good enough look at history and the the message that step bore was talking about is actually correct I have a book where there been documented of some of the atrocities that happened nobody had actually died from what I’ve studied but

Some people were persecuted to the point where they had their hands crushed and stuff like that when they were doing certain things on Sunday it was it was a degree there was a degree of persecution for these people so that had happened in 1888 um now it wasn’t massive persecution because I think the Lord intervened uh with you know alexo Jones and many others who actually Rose a voice or protests against this the Sunday Blair Bal in massachusett in Boston massachusett so there’s a whole history behind that and that’s a whole another discussion as well and I think

We can come to talk about this in the future but ah so typology is not meant to be 100% identical only similar James thank you for the recognition as I have stated this numerous times myself namely in the context of your guys’s Claim about Satan being the scapegoat because this is the exact problem that you guys face in some of your arguments against Jesus being the scapegoat when Adventists say things like Jesus was never LED Into the Wilderness alive and the scapegoat was therefore Jesus can’t be the scapegoat yeah so I appreciate get you recognizing this and evidencing that

Some of your arguments uh in that realm are invalidated on this basis but this is Insight folks into the SDA Church’s method of Bible interpretation notice from Donald Cas Bolt’s book father Miller’s daughter where he points out how the SDA Church handles and seeks to interpret the Bible Miller claimed that he only used his Bible in a concordance and that he set aside all commentaries and that in divinely inspired dreams God had commissioned him to Proclaim his 15 proofs to the entire world father Miller’s spiritual daughter Ellen Harmon accepted Miller’s self-conception at

Face value then she enhanced and disseminated Miller’s system and self-perception going so far as to claim that father Miller had been prefigured by Elijah Elisha John the Baptist and that God had given Miller individualized Divine insight into prophecies that had been shrouded in mystery for centuries Miller’s spiritual daughter upon assuming the prophetic role of God’s special messenger perpetuated this hagiography conception of Miller more importantly she endorsed his non-literal methodology as a result the church that Ellen White founded retained the

Vestigal remains of many of Miller’s purported proofs as well as his non-literal methodology all the while imagining that Miller’s method was literal and Common Sense the idea that avenus theology is just by the Bible as it reads is not even close to accurate they utilize wild typology and allegory all filtered through the lens of their historicist eschatology to try and draw out of that all sorts of future prophetic events we’ve looked at for example how sta Pastor John lomacang was preaching through First Kings 18 and claimed that Ahab and Jezebel are a

Picture of Protestants shacking up with Roman Catholicism the of Babylon and the SDA church is represented by Elijah who is trying to repair the breach of the law law namely the seventh day Sabbath and that’s supposed to just be a plain reading of the Bible no typology is the vehicle that the SDA Church uses because it allows them to insert their wild theories into the text and then claim their biblical then he cited critics of the uh Adventist theory of a Sunday law and he said that they fail to understand that we never learn from history note James we reject this

Theory because it has no biblical or historical basis I could point to all sorts of atrocious events in history and yes atrocities then happen later on in history and learning from the past is a good thing none of that proves that a national turned International Sunday law is on the horizon at the behest of a three-fold union between apostate Protestants Roman Catholicism and spiritualism once again you are proving the point that I made in the discussion with Doug you’re making a mass massive leap in logic to arrive at a conclusion that makes no logical sense just because

Atrocious things happened in the past and more atrocities will happen in the future that doesn’t support your guys’s theory he talked about people being persecuted for worshiping on Sunday and James I can point to all sorts of massacres that happened to Christians for worshiping on Sunday by pagans Godless governments that doesn’t prove that there’s now going to be a law in the future by three parties to make a Saturday worship law and persecute Christians for going to church on Sunday we’re still waiting to hear that this theory is just plainly what the

Bible teaches and the rest of us are crazy for not seeing it he told us earlier just stick with the Bible oh I didn’t realize Mark Twain is the Bible I’ve read through the Bible I don’t even know how many times still waiting for this Crystal Clear plain Biblical teaching to be presented to us let’s hear it that’s just a little segment of History because it goes farther than that and I think if you’re looking for the Sunday movement you got to go a little bit deeper here is the thing I wanted to share um here is the thing I had spoken about this in the light of my study that has

To do with the swelling of the Jordan and I say the swelling of the Jordan there are certain things that’s going to happen from from a futuristic standpoint uh the events that we can actually look for for to determine how this thing is going to blow up number one is that the MS are going to keep going down it’s happening as we speak so they’re going to continue to go down and if you’re not paying attention the morals of our society are really bad and I think that this is why Christian nationalists and I agree with them when it comes to this they want to do something about the

Morals of our society and actually I want to be part of a movement that will help saving the morals of our society I think we should sty the problem I think we should slow it down doesn’t necessarily mean we should sit back and say well prophecy is going to be feel it is what it is let’s just let it let it let it burn I don’t agree with that I think we should actually fight for the Constitution we should fight for American values we should fight for the for for for put it call children we should fight against the work ideology we should fight against anything that is

Tearing apart human dignity in this country I’m all for it and around the world I’m all for it but how far are you willing to go with this okay that’s totally based but he just got done talking about studying history more deeply and now talks about the morals of society going down being evidence of this of the coming Sunday law James numerous civilizations in history had morals that decayed leading to the desecration of those societies this doesn’t prove that a national turned International Sunday law is on the horizon you’re doing that thing again by

Arriving at conclusions based on inference while making massive leaps of logic because you want this belief to be true your fundamental Axiom your assumed truth starting point is that this belief is correct therefore you’re going to look for anything that seems like it’s support for this assumed truth but nothing you have said proves this teaching is biblical I checked out this sermon in question by the way no it’s just the same old claims and analogies being made that Adventists have been making for 150 plus years aside from the fact that they have

To use you know more modern things like covid-19 and 9 11 because time has moved on and their previous theories for what would bring this Sunday law about they didn’t pan out exactly however like I said James I I will wholeheartedly agree um we should fight for Western American values Constitution all that stuff including your freedom to worship on whatever day you feel convicted and compelled to do such so first thing we see is that the moles of our society are going down and the second thing is the calamities are going to increase you’re hearing the

Climate change call is happening as we speak and that is going to continue to turn up even the ladies on The View just made some ridiculous remark where they were saying that I’m going to put a video on on the screen after I say this they were saying that the climate change the clim I mean what happened with the solar eclipse had something to do with climate change I mean it was so bad that even her host had to correct Sunny hosting on this and again that’s just little sideo but the point of the matter is you can expect uh the calamities to increase

Actually when you go to Matthew 24 what you seen is a consistent increasing of calamities like there shall be Wars in wom of Wars nations against nations against famines and pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places all these are the beginning of Sorrow so in other words they’re going to increase in frequency and intensity and they’re going to keep calling climate change as a mean to bring about the change in society and there’s also economic instability we’re going to see that the national debt is going to keep getting worse we’re going to see that the money

Are going to keep losing its value inflation is going to keep on Rising as we have seen in just about couple just about in just the last two years doing the Biden Administration even before it seems like every president who comes into office they just keep raising the national debt and what’s happening as a result inflation keeps on Rising and rising and the gas prices is horrendous today than what it used to be I would say two three years ago it was like a dollar something now it’s like three something that’s all part of the thing we’re looking at economic stability and

I’ve also spoken about how there is a doing away with the middle class happening in this country the poor are being cared for right the illegal migrants are are getting their fair share the rich are getting richer the poor are getting help from the government at least at this stage of the world but also the middle class are in trouble the middle class has to pay for for for Health Care at a much higher price than everybody else the middle class is dealing with a lot more issues than anybody else and their jobs are being taken away and so on there’s a lot

More being happening as well so there’s so much more to this thing than just what you see when you get to the N greedy of it you start looking at the fine details you can see how it’s going to happen again my friend calamities have been ebbing and flowing in severity and frequency long before the modern era long before your movement even existed Daniel and Revelation had application to Generations before your movement’s Inception sir none of this proves that the Bible teaches all of the stuff you guys allege about a coming Sunday law GI Butler was exactly correct this is

Dependent upon alen White’s Visions accompanying the Bible you’d never come to this conclusion just reading the Bible this is insight into the very Western Centric thinking that permeates adventism and the the it’s based upon the assumption that America is that lamb-like Beast so if America Falls it has to be the you know this indicator that’s the end of the world and this is a result of their modern historicist eschatology notice for example what GK Beal writes in uh his commentary on the Book of Revelation so before he gets into the commentary he

Explains the various schools of prophetic interpretation when it comes to eschatology and the difficulties that each position has speaking on the problems for the historicist he writes this view tries to identify historical movements too specifically and limits the Prophecies of the Apocalypse to western church history leaving aside the worldwide Church prop opponents of this view living at different periods of church history cannot agree with one another since they limit the meaning of the symbols only to specific historical reference contemporary with their own

Times another weakness of this approach is that such a projection of future history would have had little relevance to the first century readers of Revelation again it seems like for James and many other Adventist that if America were to end that has to be indicative of the end of the world and this is because of the role they claim America plays in Bible prophecy like I said they claim it’s that lamb-like beast in Revelation something we heard James talk about the last time that we listened to him but none of what James is saying here proves the thesis of a Sunday law I agree with

A lot of the general claims about Society becoming aoral depravity running rampant Etc there is definitely a coordinated attack on the United States and the foundation upon which it was built we have leaders that hate this country and those that founded it yep I agree that doesn’t prove the theory of the Sunday law anymore than it proves that there’s going to be a mandatory Saturday law where a miraculous Global catastrophe will occur and Saturday worship will become State sanctioned in response to all of this no there’s not any correlation there what this does

Actually prove is that America is currently under God’s judgment and is reaping results of the many many many years of immorality not just the last 5 to 10 years he was just talking about study history in the Bible will go read the Old Testament that’s one thing God would do when he would judge a nation give them tyrannical ungodly leaders that’s what’s taking place in North America today doesn’t prove a very specific SDA Sunday law theory though no not even looking you know at their finer details of this stuff so we’re still waiting for the proof of this specifically from

Scripture after you just told us to only go with the Bible next is that what we are also seeing is that temporal Prosperity so that’s what I mean by the by the by the by the middle class in itself that’s going to go down and down down down so we’re going to end up with with with the rich and the poor just like the Bible says in Revelation chapter 13 that he shall give it shall give power to the image of the Beast that the image of the Beast should both speak in cause has not many has will not worship the image of the Beast should be should be killed he

Causes all both small and great rich and poor free and slave to receive a mark in their right hand or in their forehead and that no man might buy or sell say if he that have the mark of the beast or the name of the Beast or the number of his name rich and poor free and slave right all of them will be impacted by this National Sunday law which is the mark of the beast when it is enforced I want to be exact about that right so when the national Sunday law comes about we’re supposed to believe that one won’t be able to buy or sell unless they worship on

Sunday right okay I’ve had numerous Advent VST by the way try and tell me I have no clue what I’m talking about on this subject I’m misrepresenting adventism I’m clueless they all claim the people that say this it’ll only entail resting on Sunday not worship if that’s you then take it up with your organization’s own source documentation again from Last Day Events where Ellen White is talking about this exact subject the so-called Christian world is to be the theater of great and decisive actions men in Authority will enact laws controlling the conscience after the

Example of the papacy Babylon will make all na drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication Every Nation will be involved there will be a universal Bond of Union One great Harmony A Confederacy of Satan’s forces and shall give their power and strength unto the Beast thus is manifested the same arbitrary oppressive power against religious liberty freedom to worship God according to the dictates of conscience as was manifested by the papacy when in the past it persecuted those who dared to refuse to conform with the religious rights and ceremonies of romanism so

Just like we saw earlier with regards to the claim of history repeating itself she claims that when this law comes about it will involve worship and the violation of worshiping God according to the conscience and this is supposed to be headed up by a three-fold union of apostate Protestants Roman Catholicism and spiritualism by way of infiltrating the United States government it won’t just involve being mandated to rest on Sunday but rest and worship so apparently one won’t be able to buy or sell without worshiping on Sunday that’s what we’re supposed to believe John the

Apostle intended to communicate to the seven churches in Asia Minor that were about to be severely persecuted for the Christian faith like hey guys I know you’re about to get your head lopped off for the faith and your brother sister probably has been fed to lions for entertainment but don’t take the mark of the beast which is a Sunday worship mandate that will come about in a country called America almost 2,000 years from now yeah makes total sense this is why they have to make make the text have some nebulous arbitrary new meaning in the present day because their

Interpretation makes the text have zero actual meaning to the original audience it was written to as a quick note if you are curious to hear what I believe about the mark of the beast you can check out an article on our website that I referenced earlier the link to which is in the description box down below spoiler alert it’s not what you think so here’s the thing uh so what will be the result there’s going to be National chaos we should expect more of that to be coming your way and after this there’s going to be a solution that’s going to be presented and that solution

Will be a national Sunday law so this is like a picture a general picture of Prophecy from my perspective of what is going to happen from my study of this thing James literally none of that proves the solution to the issues you brought up will be your guys’s elaborate Theory it’s like are you joking are you joking kidding me you’re further proving the entire point I was making that you listen to you have made one giant leap in logic not just where we are Society but a massive leap in reasoning in logic what you just said is entirely illogical what you presented is actually

What’s called a non sequer it does not logically follow from the steps you presented that the solution to all of it will be a national turned International Sunday law at the behest of apostate protestantism Roman Catholicism and spiritual ISM that Protestants will persecute you guys far worse than Rome did certain people in the Middle Ages it doesn’t prove that the entire world is going to be stirred with enmity toward you guys it doesn’t prove that the vast majority of people are just all of a sudden going to be on board with worshiping on Sunday

When some Adventists try pointing to the green party and their wacky ideas of an earth Sabbath or whatever it is like giving the earth a break on one day that doesn’t comport with the idea that everyone will be mandated to not only rest but worship this day and that it’s going to be spearheaded by Protestants and Roman Catholics but remember don’t listen to me just stick with the Bible he said because that’s what we’re hearing from James right we’re just hearing from the Bible here the only viable argument if we can even call it that that Adventist present is that the

Coming of a false Messiah figure is going to work a counterfeit Miracle basically casting a spell over the entire planet which will miraculously put people into a state of just accepting such an idea that the vast majority of people will then just get on board with and begin worshiping on Sunday like Hindus Buddhists Muslims atheists they’re all just going to get on board with worshiping on Sunday but even that argument is just more speculation and playing the doctrine in search of a text game what else is missing here from the discussion that I think these men did

Not actually understand uh there’s a video out there that I put out again check it out it’s called the Sunday movement um look it up it’s on my YouTube channel I could put a link in the description below if you want me to it’s called the Sunday movement it’s making its way in darkness beware and check it out because what I did I went through some videos I went through some clips I went through some quotations statements and so on from different people that are already saying this and they are slowly turning up the heat they’re not saying exactly for a Sunday

Law they’re not saying that but they are laying reasons for it they are they’re giving you some of the reasons why there needs to be such a thing and that’s what I spoke about in this video I’m going to leave a link in the description below at the end of this video as well you can come and check it out again my discussion with Doug was not focused on Christian nationalism generally speaking saying that this was missing from the discussions irrelevant it’s obviously missing for the same reason discussion around the Trinity was missing it wasn’t the purpose of the discussion yet you

Guys latched on to this as some sort of Mega own thinking it somehow validates your guys’s alleged theories but here is the thing that I think adventism ins adventism did not tell you and I didn’t expect him to tell you here is the thing that you can look for it’s called the Sunday movement is now making its way in darkness this stuff is not in the Forefront of the discussion is not in the political realm you have to go beneath to find out what’s happening here only a student of Bible prophecy who knows how to apply the understanding of history and prophetic understanding

That they are the the ones who can actually really pinpoint this thing some people can do it better than others I can do some of it I’m not really really good at it but I have some abilities to actually find where it is actually happening it’s happening through the veins of our society but it’s not really in the Forefront what we are seeing is this the leaders are concealing the true issues the true issue and many who unite in the movement do not themselves see whether the undercurrent is tending they are working in blindness so I don’t expect I don’t expect Mr Douglas to know

What he’s doing I don’t expect these men to have any bad intent I don’t think they do because they are working in blindness they do not see if a Protestant government if a Protestant government sacrifices the principles that have made them a free independent nation though through legislation bringing into the Constitution principles that will propagate Pap falsehood and people delusion they are bringing into the Roman honor of the Dark Ages they bringing into what the Roman horrors of the Dark Ages I should say ah so now we get the classic it’s operating in the

Shadows and we need Ellen White to highlight it for us to really know what’s going on give me a break dude give me a break this is why we don’t take this childish Theory seriously no matter what the fact are there will always be some Fringe corner somewhere that they can point to and say there’s a ghost James if you actually had listened to my interview with Doug in full which it’s not very long you would have seen that I started off from the very beginning saying that this is exactly what you and those with this mindset would say that of course Doug isn’t knowingly

Involved in this he’s being used by Satan unknowingly as a tool to to bring about National ruin because all this stuff is allegedly operating in the shadows so claiming this aspect was left off for my discussion or that I’m ignorant of this is easily falsifiable uh it’s almost as if this interview wasn’t my first rodeo regarding the subject he said I didn’t bring up the Sunday movement implying I’m trying to Omit like inconvenient details or something no it’s because the Sunday movement and any of its offshoots have nothing to do with Doug Wilson own

Beliefs Doug is not a spokesperson for this movement you’re referring to acting like I didn’t bring this up because it’s somehow like refutes my thesis and I don’t want people to see it it only shows that you are listening to criticize which is the exact thing you yourself have claimed about me regarding my theological critiques of Adventist theology you clearly didn’t realize why this interview was being conducted because you didn’t listen broadly enough or you didn’t listen carefully enough and it’s apparently my fault that you once uh once again evidence you didn’t

Do your homework you guys accuse me of not Len listening charitably and yet you constantly insert little Jabs here and there like that I don’t care about truth while you yourself do the exact thing you are criticizing me for hypocrite Ellen White made all sorts of claims James the alleged Sunday movement you guys claim are secretly functioning in the shadows and are going to basically influence the entire planet billions of people to come hunt you guys down down is a fringe minority every step of the way you guys have to latch on to Fringe The Fray of

Society type groups to prop up this whole facade he said only those that really understand history and Bible prophecy will really be able to see this shadowy movement AKA if you aren’t a historicist you can’t understand the Bible but not just that you have to hold to the Adventist unique spin on historicism yeah these are nice assertions James that rally up Adventists to all Pat each other on the back thinking they have this special Insight that no one else has but all you prove is how naive you guys are for thinking this this goes back to the quote that I read from Donald casbolt

Earlier how William Miller thought he had some Divine insight into prophecy that no one else had and it was a part of the reason that they were raised up by God to Enlighten the rest of the world on this the Seventh Adventist movement simply inherited this thinking and mindset from their millerite roots and still hold to this mentality today which is why he is saying this notice in 1910 for example Ellen White at the tail end of her life 5 years before she died was still writing stuff like this in this day God has called his church as he called ancient Israel to stand as a

Light in the Earth by the mighty Cleaver of Truth the messages of the first second and third angels He has separated a people from the churches and from the world to bring them into a sacred nearness to himself he has made them the depositories of his law and has committed to them the great truths of Prophecy for this time like the holy oracles committed to ancient Israel these are a sacred trust to be communicated to the world so the SDA church is allegedly the Israel of God God’s called out people from the world and God has allegedly entrusted them to

Be the depositories of his law written on their hearts and special insights into Bible prophecy have been given to them so it isn’t surprising that James has the same mentality because it’s part of the fabric and DNA of the movement but it doesn’t prove that historicism is the correct School of interpretation and since I know Adventists will comment things like well the Protestant reformers were historicists one no not universally and two don’t be inconsistent with your own standards you guys reject 95% of what the Protestant reformers held to so it’s entirely irrelevant if

They did or didn’t affirm historicism you yourselves think they were wrong on all sorts of stuff at the end of the day you all are in the same boat as everyone else you have a theory and an interpretation but under giring it is the assumption that your guys’s is impenetrable Untouchable and completely Flawless this is a pipe dream my friend this is a pipe dream your guys’s eschatology could rightly be called swiss cheese theology because it’s full of holes I’m slow today I I work last night I can’t even read right now anyway so um what you are seeing is that slowly the

Protestant World in these United States are adapting Roman Catholic principles and they will eventually push that forward little by little and if you haven’t been paying attention uh there’s a lot of that already being the foundation at least is being laid here is the other thing that you need to also understand now when SST say stuff like this they they’re going to call us name at this time but remember we have to keep on preaching and keep on talking because today we are the naysayers we we are the evildoers we are the alarmists but that’s going to change let me explain to

You how this is going to change here there twoo those who present the truth of the third Angel’s message have been regarded as M alarmist this is what we are called right now oh you guys ain’t saying nothing you guys are trying to scare people this could never happen in these United States right okay let’s keep going there are prediction that religious intolerance will gain control in the United States that church and state will unite to persecute those who keep the Commandments of God has been pronounced as growless and absurd and guess what if you say l white is not

Inspired why is she fulfilling the very words of this man and these men ah so I’m apparently proof Ellen White was a true Prophet James literally all cults do this all of them Joseph Smith the Watchtower they all do this silliness and I always give an analogy to help it click for sdas before I started answering adventism I predicted that tons of sdas would say I’m inspired by Satan a deceiver don’t trust me because I have tattoos and all sorts of other claims well what do you know by golly all of those things happened and continue to happen so that proves I’m a prophet

Right no it doesn’t because I’ve engaged with sdas long enough to know their responses and what they would be for the most part all the 19th century prophets made this claim that people would come along one day and claim they were false which is one of the oldest tricks in the book for false prophets because then anytime they’re wrong or questioned it’s seen as a fulfillment or a self-fulfilling prophecy to cover their own tracks thus you can’t question them and it’s sad how many Adventists actually fall for such a bad argument like gee if I were a person who was

Conning people if I was a false prophet gee you think that I would want to try and have some level of control over the people that are following me and one of the easiest things that I could do you know what it would be if you question me you’re proving that I’m the prophet yeah he also mentioned modern-day protestantism in America this is why Adventists really have zero business talking about protestantism protestantism in America is allegedly adopting Roman Catholic principles and then they’ll point to you know random oneoff individuals to blanket the whole we’ve seen this with

People like Walter veth no protestantism is not doing this James like think about if I I always do this too think about if I were to do this with Adventist I’ve given this analogy before is what I mean sdas would come from my throat because I pointed to a single individual to try and represent the whole it’s why on this platform I try and stick to primary source documentation for my claims James here is stuck in a 19th century mindset because the writings that he’s referring to were heavily influenced and informed by a different time period which is

Something by the way that modern scholars in his own movement have recognized and so the idea of a worldwide Sunday law made a lot of sense back then the world is quite different today so we should not assume that after the passage of more than 150 years or about 150 years that every detail would necessarily be fulfilled remember Isaiah 11 considering both the Bible and world history where Ellen White alive today there’s at least a chance that her depiction of the end would be different than it was in the 1880s now remember the scholar and the believer okay this is the scholar

Speaking not in any way calling into question uh the gift that God gave to Ellen White or the accuracy of what God would have shown her back when she wrote but just noting that on the basis of fulfilled prophecy in the Bible there is reason to say God is not always predictable now of course died in the wool sdas will just label someone like that a Jesuit infiltrator or an apostate whatever yet that’s a contributor in modern SDA organizational materials such as uh Salvation Contours of aous soteriology but James I thought we were supposed to just stick with the Bible and all you’re

Doing is citing Ellen White and making a bunch of assertions that align with her extra biblical claims this after you told people not to listen to people like myself on YouTube yet here you are lecturing about that on YouTube engaging in zero biblical ex aesus yourself it’s also baffling how SDA like this man apparently can’t recognize how past aggressive and insulting they are no one really reads the Bible except them none of us really are paying attention to what’s going on in the we in the world you can only really understand Bible prophecy if you adopt

The avenus flavor of historicism and on and on and on it’s just nauseating at this at this point this video is basically just a big glaze session of adventism for Adventists to make them feel like something of substance is actually being accomplished by him he mentioned how sdas are called things like alarmist Etc notice it’s never a possibility that the claim is accurate it’s always that it’s this you know false pejorative that’s hoisted upon them by the big bad naysayers who just don’t get it again all cults do this they all say this it’s just a wet

Blanket that they use to throw over your critical thinking and keep you from engaging in that it can’t actually be that it’s that simple Yes you guys are freaking out about something that’s not actually happening and that’s not going to come about organizations use this line to keep people in based on fear to always be fearful it’s just a looming disaster that’s right around the corner and loyalty to the organization is what will keep you safe so don’t leave don’t question leaving don’t question the leaders don’t question the beliefs just remain faithful to whatever they tell

You number 10 challenges to the authority of the church the church understands that the Holy Spirit Works through structured organiz ations that were organized by Heaven itself the 7th Day Adventist Church was uniquely organized as God’s Last Day Advent movement to proclaim the Three Angels messages and the final loud cry to a world that is desperately in need of the message of Christ’s righteousness Grace and salvation the church is built on a representative committee system that allows for the holy spirit’s direct intervention in how decisions are made

And we will make decisions right in this room and have the Holy Spirit guides leaders and church members in making decisions when committee decisions at the worldwide level are made based on biblical and spirit of Prophecy instruction and guided by Humble prayer personal opinions and convictions are to be laid aside Spirit of Prophecy tells us that I could quote that to you and the authority of the World Church is to be respected and accepted yeah we have yet to hear even a shred of biblical support for this Theory only a plug to a sermon and a bunch of Ellen White

Quotes and the same amount of ex aesus that is happening here took place in that sermon by the way but they’re a Bible only movement right we could never do something like something like that right now the truth is Mr Douglas made reference to Sunday as a national Revival for moral of our society could I do believe that the Sabbath is going to be part of a Reformation of our morals I don’t believe the fourth Commandment has been uh retired he calls it the Lord’s day which he got the wrong day he did actually admit that is something we don’t we don’t think we

Should get rid of so even in his thinking there is a segment of that in his thinking that we kind of need a Sunday law but I don’t think we should have it on a national basis no that isn’t what Doug was saying this is your preconceived bias clouding you being able to understand what he was saying this is not the first Adventist that I’ve come across that did the same thing he didn’t say his view is that there should be a Sunday law like you guys hypothesize about only it shouldn’t be National it also shouldn’t be shocking that Doug still upholds the moral basis

Of the fourth Commandment because Doug is a presbyterian which is who all of your pioneers all of your Pioneers stole most of their Sabbath arguments from but then laughably tried saying but they were completely wrong about the day which evidences they didn’t even understand what they were criticizing because yes even the 7th a Baptist that influenced the early SDA Pioneers their arguments were coming from uh sabots that were around before them believe it or not folks Adventists don’t have a monopoly on the doctrine of the Sabbath they have a monopoly on

Their unique spin on the doctrine which is ultimately informed by the great controversy theme not scripture well you might be thinking that but prophecy says that’s exactly what’s going to happen we are saying this it has been confidently declared that this land could never become other than what he has been the Defenders of religious freedom right there’s no way no way the United States will ever do something like that okay and as the question question of enforcing Sunday is widely agitated so what we about to see in the next scope in the prophecy right

We’re going to see a more of a questioning for Sunday law it’s going to the heat is going to be turned up little by little little by little but there has to be enough reasons for such a heat to be turned up so in other words the issues the morals and the the the calamities the Troubles of our society they have to increase and as they increase then a call to bring about to restore National a morality in our society a call to preserve and save the country is going to be turned up it says that the event so long doubted and disbelief is seen to be approaching and the third Angel’s

Message will produce an effect that it could not have had before Oh may alarmist but has the heat is turning up as the calamities are increasing and that’s what he says there’s going to be a massive leap there’s going to be a massive jump yes there will be there will be but the re the events are going to prepare the way for that and I can tell you this it doesn’t take much to have a massive jump in a a drastic increase in society it doesn’t take much watch this and I think covid-19 should have taught us something here’s the thing so this guy clearly didn’t listen

To Doug’s complete thought or he didn’t listen carefully enough because Doug outright stated that he is a staunch advocate of the Constitution and freedom of religion in including the right of seventh day Adventists to worship on whatever day they choose yet despite what he himself says you’re telling us we need to actually think Doug is being unknowingly used by a shadowy cabal of professing Christians that are actually tools of Satan who’s the head of this Confederacy and they don’t even know it and this is all because it’s actually a part of helping the SDA third angels message

Have an impact that it couldn’t have had before no more Ellen White no Bible No Ex of Jesus just to reiterate James I didn’t say there would need to be a massive leap in where we are today though that is true too I said the claims that are made about people such as Doug Wilson who I’ve heard sda’s name specifically requires a large jump in logic to try and connect him with your theory a large jump in logic sir not just in where we are societally it is a non seor what Steven bore was pointing to in 1888 is a non seor because pointing there to say see that proves

That in the future there’s going to be this thing that we say no that doesn’t logically follow at all just like your chart with your arrows and then you just said and then the result of this is going to be a national Sunday law and now we’re reading Ellen White we don’t give a rip what Ellen White says all of the things you guys point to and have pointed to in history always require a massive leap in logic to try and make them appear to be some precursor for your guys’s very specific Theory and you’ve only demonstrated as much in this presentation you’ve pointed to a merid

Of issues claiming that they somehow are little by little bringing about this end conclusion no they aren’t because your guys’s conclusion is a very specific one involving very specific parties resulting in a very specific outcome not a single thing that you’ve presented has proven that this is biblical we just keep hearing Ellen White as though because she said it it’s true your conclusion is a nonse sir it does not logically follow that because there is societal unrest this now proves there’s a shadowy three-fold union between Protestants and Roman Catholics and

Spiritualists to bring about a national turn International Sunday law which will require that all people rest and worship on Sundays resulting in the entire world hating seventh day Adventists because they won’t yield to it there are many even of those of these engaged in the movement for the Sunday enforcement who are blinded to the result which will follow this action they don’t realize what they about to do we are told they do not see that they are striking directly against religious liberty there are many who have never understood the claims of the Bible Sabbath and the

False Foundation upon which a sunay Sunday institution rest and I’m so glad we have the spirit of Prophecy amen I’m so glad the lord gave us a prophet not only he gave us his word but the prophet made it clear without the spirit of Prophecy I don’t know how I would have ever been able to discern these things from the word of God exactly exactly and there you have it folks James thank you for that admission I get so tired of hearing sda’s claim that their beliefs are just Bible truth no they aren’t and that’s exactly correct without Ellen White one would

Never come to these conclusions the exact thing they fundamental beliefs book says as well as numerous other primary source documents the exact thing we saw GI Butler saying regarding the SDA Church’s special truths being dependent on what Ellen White’s Visions James thank you for admitting this after less than 20 minutes ago you told people to not listen to people like myself just go with what the Bible says now you tell us after reading a bunch of Ellen White and no Bible well these things can’t be discerned from the Bible without Ellen White and that really says it all this

Entire theory is wholly dependent upon a woman in the 19th century who claimed to be God’s last day messenger that would usher in the second Advent similarly to how John the the Baptist ushered in the first Advent it doesn’t come from the Bible it comes from Ellen White and it’s then brought to the Bible which is then butchered and cherry-picked to try and make it seem like it’s biblical it’s not arrived at through verse by verse exegetical walkthrough of the scriptures it’s arrived at by utilizing the exact hermeneutic that Donald casebolt pointed

Out that we read and I really wish Adventists would quit saying that I’m misrepresenting the SDA position when leaders like this do indeed believe and teach such a thing it’s not me just making stuff up folks can go watch my full interview with Doug Wilson the link is in the description box down below and see for themselves what the thesis was and if this guy’s analysis is correct James thank you for admitting this for us to have on record and for Christians to see no I am not misrepresenting adventism your guys’ beliefs do not strictly come from the Bible because you

Need Ellen White’s alleged Divine insight to actually understand the Bible which means you have to have both and when Adventists argue this it is just a smoke screen of word games to try and make it appear like I’m misrepresenting Adventist theology when no I’m not and thank you the viewer for being here may Christ richly bless you in the grace and peace won by Jesus Christ and his vicarious death on the cross for Sinners Hallelujah until next time aate did he say that come on man