Is Adventism Part of the Christian Church? What They Don’t Tell You

Well greetings thank you for being here whether you are a regular or the algorithm brought you our way and an especially warm welcome if this is your first time with us Adventist or otherwise so my question of the night maybe according to scripture what is the mission of the Christian Church according to scripture what is the mission of the Christian church if you are new to this platform you might be wondering what answering adventism is all about and why does such a thing need to even exist you don’t see answering Baptists answering Presbyterians Etc and these are great

Questions Central to the mission of this platform is to equip as many Christians as possible to reach as many Seventh Day Adventist as possible with the gospel in order to do such one must understand that Seventh Day adventism brings with it a novel worldview a worldview that is not shared by Christians I talk about this a lot around here and for a good reason as I’ve shown many times it is their unique worldview that informs all of Seventh Adventist theology that would include their theology around the church what is called ecclesiology which is

What we’re going to be getting into tonight if you are a Christian and you interact with the Seventh Day Adventist there is a good chance that you will be treated terribly uh including them putting uh you know out the vibe that you’re both Christians on the same team Etc however what must be understood is that while the majority of Adventists are sincere well-meaning people the claims made by individual Adventists do not always reflect the organization’s official claims statements and beliefs this platform is about examining organizational matters not every

Individual Adventist in the world which is why tonight we’re going to be exploring whether or not 7th day adventism as a church is united with the Christian Church sharing in the same Mission and message or if there’s actually a fundamental divide on these core issues with me to discuss tonight is my friend and Pastor Jeremiah nortier from 125 Church in Jonesboro Arkansas also we’re going to be assisted by SDA president Ted Wilson as he shares with us some uh Adventist distinctives when it comes to their proposed identity as God’s last day Remnant but before getting into it if

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Description box down below thank you so much for your support brother thank you so much for being here thanks for having me on again is this number three I know we talked about the the Heavenly Trio maybe a year or so ago that that’s correct this is actually number four we talked we talked about um the the parall between adventism and the Church of Christ we talked about the Heavenly Trio and then you were here with Dr Boyce to talk about restorationism versus Reformation the difference between the two that was an excellent episode I always learned

Something from Dr boy every time I I listen to him I know I I love him he he caused so many Adventists to melt down because of his Anglo Catholicism um which was rather interesting we’ve seen a lot of of uh feedback regarding him and his uh his handling of scripture but nevertheless I’ll be curious tonight to hear your pastoral insight as we look at some claims from the SDA church and listen to their president talk about their fundamental beliefs specifically fundamental belief number 13 I’ll be curious to hear your pastoral insights but along the way I also hope to be able

To leave not just the audience with a better understanding on this issue but also you as a pastor so I will be connecting some dots along the way helping to put some skin on the bones if you will sound good yes absolutely all right so to start though let’s do a couple ice breakers here to set the stage what is your answer as a pastor to the question of the night according to scripture what is the mission of the Christian church so there’s two passages in mind Ephesians 4 and Matthew 28 the primary mission for the Ecclesia the church is to equip the Saints for the

Good work of ministry so that’s primary Saints or church are for the Saints not the ANS okay people don’t understand that they gear their services and their their liturgy really their lack thereof for goats and it’s like look this is for the Saints this is for the edification we get a taste of Heaven do people get saved in the midst absolutely but the mission of the church is to equip the Saints for the good work so that the Saints can be sent out into world into the world to fulfill the Great Commission to go and baptize in The Sovereign Triune name and to learn all

Of what Christ CHR has told us to do so that would answer it that way miles amen um one thing here sorry I’m trying to get one thing set up that um is broken on my end there we go I love Baptists and their uh you guys have the the best sort of like uh I don’t know what that’s formally called but the like you said it’s for the Saints not the ants I love that some love to our Baptist world over here for sure we’re going to talk a little bit about um um we’re going to talk a little bit about um well the differences between Baptists Presbyterians Etc a little bit later but

One other thing that I I want to point out here um is specifically Luke chapter 24 you mentioned Matthew 28 and this is somewhat of a parallel um but there’s a lot we could look at on this obviously but my mind goes to the taale end of Luke 24 after his resurrection the Lord Jesus is with his disciples he’s about to ascend and take his throne but before doing so he leaves them with the Christian Mission notice folks he says then he said to them these are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets

And the Psalms must be fulfilled then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures and said to them thus it is written that the Christ should suffer on the third day rise from the dead or and on the third day rise from the dead and that repentance for the Forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in the name to All Nations beginning W uh from Jerusalem you are witnesses of these things and behold I am sending the promise of my father upon you but stay in the city until you’re clothed with power from on high and thus the reading of God’s holy word so

Jeremiah like I said you are a Baptist I am a presbyterian yet despite our differences we are united in the same mission that Jesus left the apostles with as the Old Testament foretold of the person and work of Jesus which is what the gospel most specifically is the good news about the person and work of Jesus who he is and what he accomplished followed by how you as a sinner can turn to him and receive him for the Forgiveness of your sins and the mission of Christ followers is to take this message to all Nations tribes tongues peoples Etc same thing we see in

Matthew 28 with the Great Commission take the gospel to the Nations baptizing them in the name of the Triune God teaching them to obey all that Christ commanded ultimately the church exists to one spread the gospel two equip Believers and three glorify God in all things all of that is summed up in the singular Mission Jesus gave the church now I have a second question did Jesus leave the church with multiple missions or just a single Mission the Great Commission sums it up and that I I look at it as as two parts people think that discipleship is

Getting somebody in the church to be baptized and all right we got to rinse and repeat and it’s like the second half is to teach them to obey all that is commanded so maybe maybe you can teach me something here but I mean there’s there’s a single-mindedness in the Great Commission but that covers a multitude of things that the New Testament tells us to do so my reason for asking this is going to become more apparent as we get further into tonight you’re going to see why I’m asking this because there’s a little bit of nuance here and I want to clarify so folks the church has one

Primary mission to glorify God by making disciples of Jesus Christ Matthew 28:18-20 however this Mission expresses itself in multiple ways including one evangelism so sharing the gospel with unbelievers Matthew 1615 two discipleship teaching and equipping Believers to grow in faith Colossians 1:28 third worship honoring and glorifying the Triune God in all aspects of life so John 423- 24 four service and compassion Mercy if you will meeting physical spiritual needs so Matthew 25 35-40 five fellowship and community so encouraging and strengthening the body

Of Christ Hebrews 10:2 24-2 is an example and then six defending the faith apologetics upholding biblical truth against false teachings 1 Peter 3:15 Jude 3 Etc so these are not separate missions but different facets of the one Mission Christ gave to his church everything the church does should ultimately be in harmony with this so Jesus did not leave the church with multiple missions he left one Mission and that single Mission expresses itself in multiple ways might be a small Nuance but it’s it’s an important one and we’re going to see why shortly anything you’d like to add to

That yeah you had me sweating I was like did I forget another second mission that Jesus gave well I’m I’m glad that you said that because we’re going to transition here now to listening to our Clips I know that that was a very short uh lay of the foundation but that’s important before we get into this I want to listen to Ted Wilson explain the SDA Church’s 13th fundamental belief which is titled The Remnant and its Mission okay and we’re going to get into this and we’re going to test what he says against what we just talked about to examine our uh question of the night if

You will so with that said let’s get into it of a Remnant appears throughout the Bible and probably one of the most well-known stories is that of Noah and and the Ark it was during a time of great wickedness as described in Genesis 6:5 and verse 11 then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually the Earth also was corrupt before God and the Earth was filled with violence but we are told in verse 8 Noah found Grace in the eyes of the Lord God told Noah of his plan to

Destroy the Earth with a flood and explained there would be a way of Escape for everyone who chose to accept God’s grace through faith and obedience Noah was to build an enormous Ark inviting all to come inside where they would be safe from the coming storm for 120 years Noah preached but in the end only eight people chose to be saved Noah and his family they were the remnant in the last days right before Jesus returns to Earth to take his followers to Heaven a similar situation will happen again Jesus tells us in Matthew chap 24 verse 37 but as the days of Noah were so also

Will the coming of the son of man be the world will be filled with wickedness but those who trust and believe God will remain strong amidst the world’s influence rejecting its self-serving ways and embracing God’s ways all right so Jeremiah the SDA Church loves making Noah a type or a picture of all sorts of things Noah is supposed to be a picture of the end times regarding the remnant and salvation because Jesus says As it was in the days of Noah so also will co uh the coming of the son of man be what are your thoughts on what he said and was that what Jesus was saying in Matthew

2437 so I was thinking about this earlier and it’s wild that you know I’m learning from you that this is such a huge emphasis with the the Adventist so it’s I want I want to say when we look at the all of it discourse yes at the coming of the son of man there’s going to be swift judgment I think that is really what we’re supposed to glean from the times of Noah I mean a lot of people look at this as a proof text for people are going to be snatched one left at the Mill it’s like who people people are going to be smited at the the second coming of Christ and so that’s what’s

Going on here in the the all of it discourse as it relates to Noah to go beyond that is more than what the text is actually telling us and so as we’re going to continue to hear him talk about the the word Remnant right remainder uh essentially those that are called out or distinguished uh I want us to talk about the the scripture has a very pointed definition of what the remnant actually looked like yeah like I said they they love to use the story of Noah for all sorts of things um we’re going to see the the story of Noah mentioned later in a source that I’m going to bring up um

But I find it somewhat ironic that the same Ted Wilson like I’ve shown numerous times before loves saying that the only approved hermeneutic of the SDA church is the historical grammatical method yet they constantly allegorize historical events like Noah basically engaging in the same allegorical hermeneutic that became widespread during the Middle Ages it was obviously around before then with the likes of expositors like origin and serel of Alexandria um like the Eastern fathers um but I just find it somewhat comical that the SDA church is basically

Using the story of Noah the same way they are only they aren’t talking about the Orthodox church or even the Roman Catholic Church for that matter um who who they you know they use the arc as an example of if you’re outside the ark you’re drowning in the water you need to join their church because their church is symbolized by the ark and those sorts of things so all right let’s continue listening to what he says this end time Remnant is often what is being referred to when you hear about the remnant and it is described in our 13th fundamental belief the Remnant and

Its Mission The Universal Church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ but in the last days a time of widespread apostasy a Remnant has been called out to keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus this Remnant announces the arrival of the Judgment hour proclaimed salvation through Christ and Heralds the approach of his second Advent this Proclamation is symbolized by The Three Angels of Revelation 14 it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on Earth every believer is called to have a personal

Part in this worldwide witness you see this fundamental belief is based solidly on the Bible and you can read the Bible passages and more about it at the URL shown below okay so by based on the bible Jeremiah you can think of that in the same way that a movie is based on a true story it isn’t an exact representation of the history but it uses real historical events landmarks names Etc to then present an adaptation of that where they take Liberty to you know dramatize things and spice it up for film Etc because what he’s really getting at is they point to proof texts in the Bible

And then they plug in LG White’s dogmatic assertions about those texts along with all the fanciful elaborate extra details that she brings that are not found in the Bible but before I break some things down here he read and gave a small overview of their 13th fundamental belief titled The Remnant and its Mission as an outsider looking in what all did you hear him saying yeah so the word Remnant is what I’m starting to hear I’m starting to piece uh uh the the pieces together I’m starting to see them come together and saying like the Seventh Day Adventist Church they are

The remnant and I’m sure he’s going to say we got to join them they’re the true Remnant and we are the ones that maybe have apostatized and all the other things and so this sounds real similar like you were saying earlier for those cult-like groups that are saying hey you got to join our church we are the one true church miles I engage a lot with the Church of Christ it’s a similar mindset is you got to be baptized in the one true church of Christ Romans 16:16 uh the Churches of Christ and then they don’t probably greet one another with the Holy kiss like the verse goes

On to saying but the word Remnant I would not go to Revelation to build that Doctrine I do want to do a quick book plug um our god reigns by uh Sam storms just a good resource um as we’re looking at the Book of Revelation with the grammatical Historical Method of interpretation with the historic Redemptive understanding that uh the clearer text give more light than the unclear text and one of the places we point to First is saying look Revelation prophetic apocalyptic literature okay we we’re going to take that genre into account and so we’re talking about the

Word Remnant um I know in the clip he does give a general understanding of the definition of the word Remnant as remainder or kind of a a um a part of the whole but maybe this is a good time I would say rather than going to Revelation that’s very symbolic and there’s some wonderful truths that you know exalts Christ as king I would say in the Book of Romans which is very clear dactic teaching we see how the Apostle Paul uses the word Remnant on a couple different occasions and I want to say there is a way to know who the remnant who the elect in the True Church

Of God actually is true Saints and so the verse that you have uh pulled up here quoting the Old Testament so this is true Old Testament this is just as true then as it is today U Isaiah Cries Out concerning Israel and I just want to pause earlier in Romans or chapter n not all Israel physical uh nationalistic Israel is of the true Israel of God so Isaiah Cries Out concerning Israel though the number of the Israelites have been like the sand of the sea Only The Remnant will be saved and so we have to say time out the Apostle Paul has already been talking about what

Salvation looks like justification is by faith apart from works and so if you do want to scroll down on the passage look with me at verse 30 what shall we say that the Gentiles who did did not pursue righteousness have attained it that is a righteousness that is by faith Paul is echoing the groundwork that he’s already laid earlier in the Book of Romans so verse 32 why because they did not pursue it by faith but as if it were on the it was based on Works he continues to talk about the true remnant of God are those that are justified by faith alone but

It’s a it’s a real Faith it’s a heart that trust in Christ alone all to the glory of God alone and so what I’m hearing with the Seventh Adventist because I’ve you know looked into them before is there is a strong emphasis on keeping the Sabbath and I say time out that is Law and so if you’re saying that you are the one true church by your Sabbath keeping and rules I’m like that is echoing the old Covenant which is a covenant of works and is a covenant of condemn a and a covenant of death we are part of a better Covenant that saves to the uttermost and it is a like we would

Have some shared commonality here we are saved by a Covenant of Grace not a covenant of works and so I do want to just point out one more verse um as we’re looking at Romans look with me at Romans 11 starting in verse 5 so to at the present time there is a Remnant okay but they are chosen by Grace not by Sabbath lawke keeping but if it is by Grace it is no longer miles on the basis of Works otherwise Grace would no Grace would no longer be grace and so it’s an odd way to say we’re the remnant we got to go to Revelation to build that case when Paul has been echoing Old Testament

Passages showing us that God

Isfied by faith alone and Christ alone and then they live to the glory of God Amen bro and you you pointed out something super important there shout out to Sam storms I love Sam storms um you pointed out just kind of a fundamental hermeneutics 101 type thing which is that the unclear passages do not Trump when it comes to sound hermeneutics the clear passages we interpret the unclear in light of the clear not the other way around now what you’re going to find in seventh day adventism is they think the unclear is crystal clear because The Remnant they

Claim that God has given them special prophetic Insight that no one else has so it’s Crystal Clear to them but then you’ll find that the clear passages are actually obscure they’re really hard to understand like when Paul says in Galatians 1 there’s only one gospel any other gospel is cursed by God I’ve heard all sorts of of answers to that well well Paul was trained in in a legal sort of context and so to understand him is is really difficult because of his training and his background and these sorts of things well I wanted to code here what all was said by Ted Wilson

Because there was a lot and if you were not trained in the SDA dictionary you’re not going to catch it they mention Universal Church a Remnant keeping the Commandments Etc now you’re go you you aren’t going to get the gist of that uh in the clip because the wording of the fundamental belief is loaded the investigative judgment was weasel in there their unlawful use and handling of the law gets a nod Ellen White gets nestled in there and a bunch of other things but folks let’s read this again The Universal Church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ but in the last

Days a time of widespread apostasy a Remnant has been called out to keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus this Remnant announces the arrival of the Judgment hour proclaims salvation through Christ and Heralds the approach of his second Advent this Proclamation is symbolized by The Three Angels of re vation 14 it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on the Earth every believer is called to have a personal part in this worldwide witness and then you get all their proof text so I want to point out

A couple of things highlighted are buzzwords or phrases that are loaded in their system interestingly they’re they almost have a an adaptation of the visible invisible Church distinction going on on here The Universal Church is composed of people like Jeremiah and I but the Bible allegedly teaches that there is an end times Remnant called out from The Universal Church which is in apostasy AKA We Are Spiritual Babylon how is this you might ask because we allegedly don’t keep the Ten Commandments and have the faith of Jesus by the phrase faith of Jesus they mean

The teachings of Jesus which they assert to be their entire system of theology as I’m going to show in a little bit secondly nestled into the word Remnant is Ellen White as we will see in a moment regarding their interpretation of Revelation 1217 but then we also see the quote announcement of his judgment hour which is coming from Revelation 14 as well as the work of judgment in heaven aka the investigative judgment and then the final sentence every believer is called to come join them and share this restored faith of Jesus which includes the investigative judgment but without

Even understanding what all is nled underneath the buzzwords we can clearly see that the mission of the SDA movement is different than that of the Christian Church the Christian church is supposedly apostate and rejected by God we need to come out from where we are and join them as the remnant in their unique proclamation of a special message that only they have in fact like we’re going to see part of this unique message includes the call for Christians to leave their church and join them as the remnant that’s supposedly there in in Revelation 14 John was telling his

Original audience about protestantism being apostate and needing to leave your apostate Protestant church and come join them now we’re going to look at this more fully in a little bit but I just wanted to highlight how much is actually being said that the average person on the surface is not going to catch all the nuances of any other thoughts after hearing that my brother before we keep listening no that was very good um I know me and you have talked about the investigative judgment before and I just want to remind our audience um what we’re hearing in keeping the

Commandments this is you know totally going against the the law gospel distinction um we we keep the Commandments of God not to be a part of the remnant or to be saved but because we are justified by faith alone and Christ Alone we desire to obey all what Christ has commanded for us in our sanctification as we long to be glorified one day yeah and they’re going to obviously take umbrage with like the way you worded that because they’re going to try and say well no no we don’t keep the law to be saved and uh a little bit of a spoiler alert here for folks

Who have not seen um I just got done recording this past week three uh long discussions with the guys over at coltish and the investigative judgment is one of the things that we ended up talking about and I explain this in more detail in that discussion but they affirm what is called covenantal GN nomism which was uh really popular in the sort of anti-right New Perspective on Paul discussion is that ji by faith but we’re we maintain our right standing by our works once we’re saved bingo bingo you’re in the Covenant by faith through by grace through faith it’s all by Grace

It’s all by Grace you’re in by grace through faith but then you’re kept by obedience yeah yeah yeah and they’ll tell you well it’s just the fruit of being saved no this is just a slippery way you’ll hear some SDA theologians use the language of um you have to meet the conditions of the Gospel Jesus made something a possibility because they’re not just synergists they’re like synergists on steroids Ellen White said for example Jesus opened the door to salvation but now it made salvation a possibility but he can really only be a savior if you Empower him to be a savior

If you come to him and you labor alongside him and do your part and and these sorts of things so yeah covenantal gism folks is the teaching that um you’re in by Grace kept by obedience and that’s ultimately what they’re teaching here and and like you’re you’re noticing I could show you a mountain of quotes where they essentially say the The Remnant is identified by those who keep the Commandments and that’s what they’re going to point to in the next verse that we’re going to look at in uh the next clip we’re going to play here throughout history God has always had a remnant of

Faithful ones down through the centuries thousands of Martyrs have sealed their faith with their blood especially during the prophetic 1,260 year period known as the Dark Ages prophecy tells us the same persecuting power of the dark ages will rise again as a combined religious and political power in the last days and will once again persecute those who will not bow to its demands but God has raised up a faithful last day Remnant people who are identified in Revelation 12 verse 17 a fantastic verse I love this verse as those who keep the Commandments of God

And have the testimony of Jesus Christ this faithful last day Remnant is not some exclusive Club every one who loves the Lord accepts the truth as found in his word and by God’s grace is willing to follow it fully is welcome to join God’s Remnant people okay so Jeremiah little bit of a leadup here and then I’m gonna have a question for you okay the claim here is that Revelation 12:17 this is their one of their favorite proof texts you’re just going to hear this beat to the ground in adventism that it’s supposedly foretelling of of the time just before

The second coming where God will have a Remnant people like he did in various ages past you know with Noah and Elisha Etc they then state that this Remnant can be identified as those who are keeping the Ten Commandments and have the testimony of Jesus therefore since the end times began in 1798 and we live past then that means we’re in the last days so we can identify this remnant of people if we find the institution that has those two things I just want to remind people that the SDA Church claims that Ellen White’s writings are divinely inspired and that

They correct inaccurate interpretations of the Bible AKA she is supposedly an infallible interpreter this looks a lot like paragraph 100 of the Roman Catholic catechism which in substance says the same thing so Ellen White is functionally though the sole Adventist magisterium hence why I have photoshopped a Papal tiara on her head one of the many things she said regarding Revelation 12:17 quote and the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Revelation

12:17 this prophecy points out clearly that the remnant church WIll acknowledge God in his law and will have the prophetic gift obedience to the law of God and the spirit of Prophecy has always distinguished the true people of God and the test is usually given on present manifestations close quote in other words according to her interpretation or rather application this end times Remnant can be objectively identified as the group who one keeps the Ten Commandments and two possesses the gift of Prophecy more specifically on that second point they possess a special

Prophetic word from Jesus himself where he is speaking to their movement through individual who has the gift of Prophecy this they claim was manifested in LG white in her writings Jesus is supposedly speaking there and they also keep the Ten Commandments supposedly since they uphold the fourth Commandment that everyone else allegedly has abandoned so my question for you what is your response going to be to the Adventist that knocks on your door and shares this with you in hopes of compelling you to come join the SDA Church well I will find a way to talk to

Them about the gospel of grace but amen when they say the grammatical historical U method interpretation I’m going to say oh so context matters right oh yes we love context I’m sure I mean that’s what I hear from the Church of Christ until we explore these proof texts a little bit more and then it’s usually we got to go somewhere else and so Revelation number one apocalyptic prophetic literature hey we got to interpret it as such but I will say earlier in chapter 12 uh I believe it’s around uh verse 9 where we read about this great dragon that was thrown down the ancient serpent

Who is called the devil and Satan the deceiver of the whole world as we keep going back up he was cast out of heaven so um Satan has been persecuting the people of God for a long time it didn’t just start with LG Wyatt and those who remember to keep the Sabbath holy because I guess we just all forgot no uh this is a context of spiritual war that the Saints have always been under persecution so my first thought if someone knocks on the door is we’re going to explore context yeah and so here’s the route I always go just because I don’t like getting into like well I don’t agree

With historicism and your sort of school of prophetic interpretation which is a whole discussion in and of itself um I just go along with them and explain you guys don’t keep the Commandments they have Tunnel Vision on the fourth Commandment they failed the test before even getting there because as you saw when you were with me before they have a false god the the present day movement while it has shifted on their semian roots of the Pioneers they still have an idol even if it’s a different one than the Pioneers so the two groups in adventism the pro-

Heavenly Trio and the anti- Heavenly Trio crowd they’re just bickering back and forth over two Idols so they don’t even make it through the first commandment but even that should give give cause for concern they’re Alle allegedly the remnant God raised up to restore his church yet he used Heretics that didn’t even believe in him to do so giving a woman in the 19th century all sorts of Visions on stuff that was in harmony with the semi arianism of the movement at the time only to eventually give her Visions later on that would contradict those earlier Visions

Presenting a different understanding of God that’s in Focus point being even if we grant their Theory and interpretation they don’t fit the bill for their own qualification but a second question for you what would you argue the correct interpretation and application of Revelation 12:17 is because that’s what the person who comes and knocks on your door is going to say well if it’s not my interpretation they kind of just view it as like well what I’m claiming is just the default one if if you’re going to say it’s not that then prove to me which what what it’s saying yeah well I guess

What I said a second ago is probably more answering the second question is expanding on context this is talking about how uh Satan has been uh primarily persecuting the church right and so this gift of Prophecy um man we can talk I I would want to talk about what it means to Herald the truth of God but it rests on those who are truly called out who are truly set apart and that is by grace through faith in Christ alone and so those are deeper presuppositions that I would press them on and I did want to Echo something you said just a second ago I loved what you said basically ask

Them how they’re doing and keeping those Ten Commandments right because as they want to focus in on the fourth well how are you doing in terms of loving loving your neighbor right because Jesus gets to the heart of the law oh I don’t do that perfectly oh so you don’t keep the law well I Repent well do you repent perfectly well I try my best right I hope you didn’t miss on one of those sins that you repent to oh well I I just kind of prayed a general prayer um so I think to your point is pointing them back to God and His Perfection we are called to be holy as he is Holy and we

Can’t do that that’s why I need a perfect savior but uh these restorationist groups they are soulless bootstrap us right they’re trying to earn favor with God or at least to earn to to stay in the Covenant it’s funny because uh the Church of Christ they have a five-step formula you got to hear you gotta you got to uh repent you got to believe you got to repent you got to confess and be baptized but the hidden sixth step is remain faithful in their particular group and so it’s sad because these restorationist groups are trying to earn favor with God and keep favor

With God by their good works yeah and and the Adventists are going to tell you no it’s not to earn anything it’s not to earn anything but I understand this is another area where the language barrier is happening it’s like what what group out there that’s that teaches Works based salvation says hey we teach Works based salvation none of them say that folks none of of them say that you have okay go ahead does the Seventh Adventist use the word obey to kind of cloak works because with the Church of Christ you got different kinds of works you got works of Mosaic law over here oh but

You’re obedient Works those are works of God over here and it’s all under the word obey yep that’s exactly what they do so they they love the word obedience they typically will say obedience and if you disagree with them on this it’s interesting because you’ll get this snap response of just immediately it’s if you disagree with what they’re saying about obedience they’ll immediately jump to oh so you’re saying you can just live however you want yeah no that that’s not what I’m saying the problem in Seventh Day Adventist theology I can’t speak as

Much the Church of Christ but the problem in Seventh Day Adventist theology is they’ve misplaced obedience this is a much bigger discussion for another day um and it’s ultimately because their covenant theology is Warped it is distorted they don’t like you mentioned earlier they do not distinguish between law and gospel and that’s ultim coming from the root of them misunderstanding the proper understanding of covenant theology and so they end up mingling the two together which results in them misplacing obedience and ascribing to it something that is not correct obedience is not a

Justification retention device obedience is the fruit of already being justified um and you’ll have good days you’ll have bad days you’re going to get some sdas who are going to tell you they don’t sin anymore um the sort of they they’ve bought into this sort of sinless perfection ISM and as you pointed out um this is typically at the behest though of them having a very truncated view of God’s holiness there’s not a very strong emphasis and discussion in seventh day adventism I’m not saying it’s not there at all but there’s a very truncated understanding of God’s holiness and what

The standard really is and it’s it’s interesting with those types the the ones who think they’re not sinning anymore um the standard of of imperfection is always right just below wherever they are they’re always just kind of right above wherever it is and uh it doesn’t take very long to start getting into the sort of like you know a lot of them will say idolatry if you bring that up they they they kind of boil that down to like well I didn’t bow down to a statue today it’s like well did you put anything in your even your mind above God today were your

Priorities out of whack and you put something before God um that’s an idol um you didn’t keep the law perfectly and they don’t really properly understand the the purpose of the law so um interesting parallels there between them and the Church of Christ the restorationist movement man yep rather than hiding their faith these Remnant people are commissioned to share three vitally important messages with the entire world these Heavenly Tidings known as The Three Angels messages are found in Revelation 14 6-12 and comprise God’s answers to the overwhelming satanic

Deceptions that will sweep across the world just before Christ’s return the Apostle John describes the first Angel’s message like this then I saw another Angel flying in the midst of Heaven having the Everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth to Every Nation tribe tongue and people saying with a loud voice fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judge judgement has come and worship him who made Heaven and Earth the sea and springs of water you see the first Angel spreads the Everlasting good news that God is our creator our only source of

Salvation and that we are to worship only him it also contains wording right out of the fourth Commandment indicating that the seventh day is still the day God has set aside and made holy for worship another important aspect of this message is that the hour of his judgment has come urging a call to True repentance and Reformation all right so brother before unpacking this for both you and the audience what is revelation 14 6-12 talking about and what would you argue the text is telling us about yeah well I’m least glad we start in verse six because it did mention the

Eternal gospel so I already know if I’m talking to a Seventh Adventist they just brought me a verse that talks about the gospel truly with the good news of how someone can have their sins forgiven I think I would spend a lot of time there and about how that is the remnant out of every nation tribe uh language and people so I would talk about there and then when we get into Babylon the great uh sure this is um these are the Nations that are under the um the power of Satan right and so once again this gets back into a a bigger discussion want to recommend this is a commentary on the

Book of Revelation of how we see the church at war with the kingdom of darkness and you know who who Reigns Supreme in his Heavenly Ministry from above and on high Jesus Christ and so he protects the true bride the True Church the true Remnant those that are called out by grace alone through faith alone so uh I’m curious to hear some of your thoughts because you know it’s so interesting I’m used to a different set of proof texts with baptism right um so hearing how and it makes sense for you know a group like the Seventh Day Adventist to go to the Book of

Revelation because it’s like they got to use the cryptic text to inform you and I could see the deception with maybe people that are Evangelical and don’t know a lot of really good theology I could see how man it says that they’re explaining a lot of things around that and so it could be really deceptive that is exactly what happens and so you mentioned the phrase some some translations will say the Eternal gospel you’ll hear them use the phrase Everlasting gospel um and there is a whole truckload of things that are trojan horsed into this so I’m excited

Now to break this down for you so we’re going to end up tonight folks we’re going to end up going through both the fir or all uh the first second and third Angels messages here their interpretation of Revelation 146 the first Angel’s message changed after the great disappointment originally it was said to be foretelling of the millerite movement and what was proclaimed in 1843 and 44 as the Adventist Pope claims to be shown in Vision that the prophecy of the first and second Angels messages was fulfilled in this disappointment and heralding of William Miller’s message

Meaning the Bible allegedly foretold of the millerite movement and the great disappointment which is what they claim Revelation 10 9-11 is also saying but after the great disappointment most millerites abandoned this thinking and rightly so they instead came to believe that Revelation 14 was describing a future event yet to be fulfilled to which Ellen White blasted them and credited Satan and the Fallen Angels for for why these individuals adopted that idea leaving them in darkness she was also allegedly shown that all of heaven was filled with indignation over this

And Jesus was slighted by such now the original understanding of the millerites was that fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come was referring to the Judgment of God upon the wicked which is generally understandable since the entire focus of chapter 14 is about the wrath of God toward the wicked in short though they believed this text was saying that God’s Wrath toward the wicked was going to be poured out upon the Earth in 1844 but since that didn’t happen and some of the millerites refused to accept that they were wrong

They faced a new dilemma since the Wrath wasn’t poured out on the wicked in 1844 how could they continue claiming the first Angel’s message was fulfilled when the Judgment of the wicked never happened this was then the Catalyst leading to their the of the investigative judgment in heaven so instead of executing Justice on the wicked they completely inverted the focus of the text from being about the wicked to actually being about a pre-advent investigative judgment event that started in heaven not on Earth where all of those who professed faith

In God all the way back to Adam are having their life record reviewed to see who is and isn’t worthy of the atoning benefits of Christ they embraced this Theory because it allowed them one to still maintain that judgment began in 1844 and two still be able to assert that the first two angels messages had already sounded maintaining what Ellen White was allegedly shown in Vision thus they claim this passage is actually for telling of October 22nd 1844 when the investigative judgment began in heaven and that’s what the hour of his judgment has come is supposedly referring to

Jeremiah I don’t know why I brought this slide up because we’re not there yet technically that’s okay any thoughts on all that before we peel back the layers on this phrase Everlasting gospel Everlasting Eternal it’s because there’s only one way of Salvation And so we see about you know an Everlasting Covenant in the Old Testament scriptures and you have Old Testament Saints being justified by faith in the coming Messiah who um inaugurates by his blood a a better Covenant and so it is interesting to me how some of these phrases and these verses

They just take a little bit and then just import you know all the bell and G white interpretation and so it does make me sad uh but praise be to God that his gospel is an everlasting gospel because we have our sins removed as far as the East is from the West amen so Central to all of this is like you pointed out and I said is what they import into that phrase Everlasting gospel which Ted has already mentioned numerous times this is vitally important to flesh out and for people to understand so folks bear with me so in the review in Herald which for

Those that do not know this is the SDA Church’s worldwide paper we read this about what they claim the Everlasting gospel is quote this movement with which we are connected stands for certain great fundamental truths the existence of God the inspiration of the Holy scriptures salvation alone through the vicarious sacrifice of the Lord Jesus repentance Reg generation and the gift of righteousness by faith the work of the Holy Spirit the immutability of God’s law The Binding claims of the Bible Sabbath the Priestly Ministry of Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary the

Investigative judgment now going on the soon coming of Christ to take his children home the doctrine of spiritual gifts the manifestation of the gift of Prophecy in the remnant Church Life only in Christ Christian Temperance and other leading important Bible doctrines these great truths constitute the Everlasting gospel message for this time to the 7th Day Adventist Church has been committed this message the Everlasting gospel was preached by Noah by Abraham by Paul and Peter and by all the prophets and apostles of past ages it was preached in the setting appropriate to their

Day we cannot preach this gospel message as Noah preached it or as Paul or Luther gave it it is for us to preach in this uh in it is for us to preach it in the setting of God’s Great three-fold message of Revelation 14 Luther preached righteousness by faith in the setting of The Gospel message for the 16th century we must preach righteousness by faith in the setting of God’s message for this time we are told by the messenger of the Lord talking about Ellen White several have written to me inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the

Third Angel’s message and I have answered it is the third Angel’s message in it the Apostle Paul preached the righteousness and Temperance uh or the Apostle Paul preached of righteousness and Temperance and of a judgment to come we cannot preach the Judgment of God as did the Apostle we must preach the hour of his judgment is come that judgment is now going forward the great underlying principles of these truths are the same but in our preaching their application must be made to the present day conditions close quote so already we have serious issues we see they claim

That the Everlasting gospel refers basically to the Seventh Day Adventist Church’s entire system of theology this is an insight into how when they use the word gospel they aren’t referring to the person and work of Christ they mean seventh day sabari inis the investigative judgment Ellen White as a prophet their lifestyle and Temperance doctrines Etc and all of those things are essentially dogmas not merely Doctrine meaning in this model if you don’t believe their system of theology your soul is in Jeopardy secondly we see they try and say that

The Everlasting gospel was preached by people such as Noah Abraham Paul Etc but it was preached in the setting of their day so it looked different it can’t be preached the same way today because we live in a different time and there’s a specific present truth message for this day and age for example when Paul preached about a judgment to come they’re claiming they still preach the same thing he did that there’s a judgment it just looks different because we live at the end of time and Paul didn’t mil question that’s what they mean by phrases like present truth or or

The truth for this present time go ahead so Martin Luther’s what the the quote was referring to right when Martin Luther was preaching yep so he was not he did not have their view of keeping the Sabbath so help me understand why they can put Martin Luther in a positive life there so this gets into their whole uh Ellen White’s essentially the great controversy where they’ve cherry-picked various people throughout history and they try to say like well Luther was right about this and John Calvin was right about this and this individual was right about this and we’ve taken all

These things from all the different individuals that got one thing right basically and we are the fullness of all of those truths together that were coming out of the Babylonian exile of the church being in cap captivity which they try to appeal to Luther on Etc so Babylon cap captivity are you either in that captivity and are lost or are you not like how does that work in their mind no they’re they’re appealing to Luther’s understanding of the church going into captivity so we talked about this a little bit the last time you were here basically this idea they they try

And claim that that Paul said in uh second Thessalonians that there’s going to be this great apostasy which they basically read into the text the church is going to die essentially um they they won’t say that it died they’ll just if you ask them to point okay point to me who was the Christian in the year 600 who who was a Christian in 800 900 it’s going to be these unnamed Fringe pockets of who knows where and basically the P the papacy rose up and began persecuting the church and the church was in Babylonian captivity for all this time until basically like Yan hus and the

Waldenian ETC which kind of were the forerunners leading up to really the Reformation but the Reformation ended too soon which needed to lead to a restoration so when they talk about Luther here and and preaching righteousness by faith they’re essentially saying that well he had present truth in his time righteousness by faith applied a certain way in his day and he had to preach it a certain way but we don’t live in the same time frame and the sort of context that he lived in so we have to preach righteousness by faith in this present truth and times

Period got it okay well I appreciate you bringing some clarity on that I will say I’m trying to get my presb Bros to reform a little bit more yeah and that’s your anabaptist uh uh roots coming through there because that was the that was the claim that that was the claim from that was that was Thomas moner’s claim to to Luther you’re still basically Roman Catholic and we’re like well yeah we’re we’re we’re reformed Catholics I realized John Calvin probably would have been in favor of me being drowned or something that is true and I don’t necessarily agree with cin

On all that but that’s a different discussion obviously for another day thankfully we don’t live in Geneva but two years prior in the same publication speaking about this same thing they also quot they also wrote quote the very fact that this Prophecy of the Three Angels messages covers the period between 1844 and the end of this age shows conclusively that this three-fold message is God’s special message for us at this very hour just as surely as we are living between 1844 and the coming of Christ just so surely we may know that this three-fold message of

Revelation 14 6-12 is God’s present Truth for this present time the time for this message is very definitively fixed to the present generation he who will receive this prophecy as given by Jesus Christ may be just as sure that this is Christ’s special message for us today as if Jesus were to appear in person and speak this three-fold Proclamation with an audible voice in harmony with this idea that this message is limited to the period between 1844 and the end we find that no one prior to 1844 had ever claimed to have given this three-fold message neither Luther nor Calvin not

Knox Wesley Alexander Campbell or any other of the great lights of those times set up the claim that they were doing this predicted work of Revelation 14 6-12 if this work had been done by any of them they would have surely known it this prophecy of Revelation 14 6-14 does not and cannot refer to any proclamation of the Gospel in the days of the Apostles the early Christian fathers or the reformers of the 16th 17th or 18th century it is strictly a Last Day message applicable to those who live just before the return of Christ close quote so they understand Revelation 14 6

And 7 and that phrase Everlasting gospel to be a gospel that wasn’t preached by anyone prior to their movement it’s not Apostolic in origin it wasn’t heralded by the apostles the church fathers it’s strictly a Last Day message which they claimed the last days began in 1798 yet Paul the Apostle says in Galatians 1 there’s only one gospel any other so-called gospels cursed by God and he says it’s the gospel that Jesus himself gave to the apostles and that has been handed down to us today in sacred scripture the apostles did not preach the investigative judgment for

The Forgiveness of sins they didn’t preach get out of the Protestant churches and join the SDA Church as the remnant for the Forgiveness of sins Etc but to defend against this charge they try and propose like we saw in that last source that they’re not preaching a gospel that’s different than the apostles it just takes a present truth form that’s applicable to our day very slippery and deceptive because it is a different message you don’t just get to say well Paul preached about judgment and since we do too that means we’re preaching the same message when what

They mean is something entirely foreign to the apostles wasn’t preached by them and was entirely unknown until their movement was born out of a false prophet date setting for the return of Christ furthermore Paul presents the gospel as the good news about the person and work of Jesus not systematic theology Jeremiah thoughts on any of that before transitioning to the final Source on this that will add another problematic Dimension to all of this quick question about you know the Eternal gospel where where’s the dividing line for them where we’re not them just saying oh you’re

Misled and you’re misinformed but you’re a part of this universal church for them like is there a dividing line like if you don’t keep the Sabbath holy are you lost or or something else I’m going to leave you on a cliffhanger cuz we’re going to get into that later okay sounds good so lastly I want to look at some some of what SDA Theologian Herbert Douglas said in a paper titled what is the Everlasting gospel so we can see another aspect of all of this some Adventists get hopping mad when I site Herbert Douglas and they can get over it Herbert Douglas folks for those that do

Not know LED light of the SDA church he has since pasted hopefully his soul was in Union with Christ and he is in the presence of incredible Holiness right now experiencing ioic Vision that’s what I hope he seemed like a great guy but what we’re about to read here is seriously problematic he starts out by saying quote John the Revelator saw that sometime before the end of the world before Jesus returned a movement would arise having the Everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth to Every Nation tribe tongue and people saying with a loud voice fear God and

Give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come Revelation 14 6-7 that uh those who respond to this gospel are described in verse 12 as those who keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus this Everlasting gospel focuses on one God to whom worship and obedience are due and two a people who give glory to him during the time of his judgment why is this emphasis on the Everlasting gospel so timely so important so necessary apparently there was something about the gospel that had been muted or muddled for some time before the events seen in

Revelation 14 requiring this special Heavenly intervention to set matters right especially at this for uh foretold time of his judgment close quote so he’s operating off of faulty presuppositions which lead to errant conclusions and they’re the same errors that Ted uh and the fundamental beliefs book operate on or the fundamental belief operates on namely that the end times began in 1798 and Revelation is for telling of the millerites in the sth day Adventist movement when the text says the Everlasting gospel will go to all tribes tongues peoples and

Nations that’s supposed to be talking about the Adventist system of doctrines like we read in the review in Herald what the Christian church is taking to the world Douglas is going to call a limited gospel and that’s that’s supposedly not what’s in Focus here in Revelation 14 something about the gospel was allegedly lost between the apostles to the present day and the text is telling us that there would need to be a Heavenly intervention to basically restore the fullness of the Gospel a few pages later he also notes quote the purpose of the Gospel is to make plain

Why Jesus came and why he died the Everlasting gospel in the end times restores the New Testament gospel in its wholeness in its Integrity it explains God’s plan to save men and women in such a way that their presence in the new Earth would not jeopardize again the well-being and security of the universe thus the gospel is not limited to the good news of his pardon and forgiveness it presents the ellipse of truth that reveals the Integrity of God’s grace as including his forgiveness and his power to transform the Everlasting gospel adds much more to limited Gospels that Focus

Only on one half of the Gospel ellipse the religion of Christ means more than the forgiveness of sin it means taking away our sins and filling the vacuum with The Graces of the Holy Spirit it means a heart emptied of self the glory the fullness the completeness of the Gospel plan is fulfilled in the Life his ellipses is not mine so listening again to Revelation 14 the Everlasting gospel will get a fair and full Hearing in the end times limited gospels that ridicule adherence to God’s expressed will as being outside of the Gospel will appear inadequate

Beside the clear proclamation of the Everlasting gospel limited gospels that cry legalism at any attempt to embrace faithful obedience will be seen as contrary to the message of New Testament Grace close quote so brother he contrasts the gospel with the Everlasting gospel the gospel is the person and work of Christ why Jesus came and why he died which in the Adventist understanding is informed by their great controversy worldview and it distorts what the ACT what the Bible actually says about both of those reasons nevertheless the good news about the

Person work of Christ is what constitutes the gospel the Everlasting gospel he tells us is a restoration of the fullness of the truth adds much more to limited gospels which he says only capture part of the Gospel of ellipse the Everlasting gospel is supposedly a restoration of the idea well it includes this that justification and sanctification are not distinct in separate things in other words if you don’t believe that obedience to God maintains your peace with him you don’t believe in their two-tiered late medieval understanding of justification

You have a limited gospel which will be shown to be inadequate at the end of time as their unique Everlasting gospel message goes out to every tribe tongue people and Nation so it isn’t just the laundry list of doctrines that we saw them present in the review and Herald but the Everlasting gospel also supposedly is a restoration of late medieval soteriology apparently because if you point out to them their faulty understanding of the role that obedience plays in the life of the believer like I mentioned earlier you’ll be shouted down as having a limited gospel that’s uh you

You know you’re decrying legalism and and these sorts of things so Jeremiah after seeing these sources what sort of concerns would you have with all of this well with it being a wrong gospel it’s it’s centered around works it in fact even though it’s giving a lip service T not but it is a system of legalism now you referenced how it’s you enter in by Grace but you’re you stay in the Covenant by your works and this cannot offer true peace right the concept of shalom a ceas fire and so you know I love going back to Romans because Romans decimates cultic groups especially

Legalistic groups like Church of Christ as we’re seeing with seventh adventism Romans 51 I always go back to because it gives peace to my heart right going back to the gospel of grace that is eternal Everlasting because we have our sins no longer imputed on our account Paul says therefore since we have been right this is a past work but now is applied we are justified by not baptism not our works not by Sabbath keeping but by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ so this brings peace and my point is if I could you know down the

Road disobey uh thwart the you know God’s grip on my soul and go out of the Covenant of Grace or the Covenant with God that doesn’t give give me peace it can’t it can’t fulfill the promise that that Paul is saying that when you are when the son has set you uh free then you are free indeed so my thoughts of hearing a distinction between the gospel over here that’s kind of limited in contrast with the Everlasting gospel it lets me know that they don’t understand the quote unquote First Gospel because that is the Everlasting gospel because it brings Everlasting peace and

Righteousness so yeah it’s wild miles I’ve never heard that before um so thank you yeah so they try to contrast Revelation 14 as like this different gospel it’s like well it does include the person and work of Jesus it’s so slippery we had a number of Adventists this week because a clip went up um where I was talking about this exact same subject just kind of some different aspects of it and I can’t tell you how many SDA said well then tell us what you believe the Everlasting gospel is of of Revelation it’s the same gospel as there’s only one folks I point them to

An article on our website where I I talk about this in more detail but it’s not some again this is why I was saying they have fundamentally flawed presuppositions they’re assuming that this is some special message post 1798 for a specific select group of people and Jeremiah you’ll you’ll be shocked probably to hear this seventh day adventism at least on paper is bigger than both Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses combined they’re also far more International they love to Bo about this they love to say well what other group is in over 200 countries worldwide they use that to say

Look the remnant’s going to be every trib tongue people and nation and what other group is in this many nations so that’s supposed to prove that this Everlasting gospel is is their message here so yeah something we talked about maybe a while back is you know when people look at the the book The Kingdom of the Cults with Walter Martin two group groups sth Day Adventist and the Church of Christ flew under the radar and so I want people to hear that there is a deeper level of deception with these two particular restorationist groups yeah Martin didn’t follow his own

Advice and scale the language barrier and he ended up getting taken to task by the sdas um who very deceptively um well kind of a discussion for another day but you you see toward the end of his life from the John egerber show that he very clearly started to realize this regarding the authority of Ellen White um and if you guys go and watch that it’s actually on our channel for those that want to check it out I’m also grateful that you brought up Romans 5 here this is immediately where I go with any 7th Day Adventist immediately when I’m doing one-on-one evangelism with an

SDA the first place I go is Romans 51 and I ask them do you have peace with God oftentimes I get the snap call of well yeah and then I ask them what does that mean to you and we start getting into what Paul means because this is coming out of chapter four where he’s talking about the blessed man who’s the blessed man well he’s citing from the Suter it’s David but he also points out Abraham so these two old Covenant figures right there we already see Paul clearly didn’t have this idea of present truth well Paul lived at a different time than David and Abraham and so he had this

Present truth and he had to talk about justification in his present day no he didn’t do that he says in the New Covenant in the Covenant of Grace you’re Justified the same way Abraham was you’re the same way any person has throughout all of Redemptive history so I always come here because in that chapter he explains why he is saying well he explains why the what the therefore is there for it’s because he’s coming out of explaining how the person who’s justified by God and we could get into what justification is this this essentially it was Christ

Declaring Heraldo kamacha was on here folks for those that want to go check that out he was here to talk about justification specifically and he broke this down so well that there’s not punctuation in the original Greek manuscripts we add these sorts of things for for various reasons but he explains how what justification is is according to Paul in chapter 4 is Christ was not raised for our justification in the sense that because he was raised oh now he can justify people that’s the sort of thing that’s that’s coming through in SDA theology is Christ had to come and

He had to weave together this robe of righteousness and these sorts of things and then he was raised so that he could justify people but that’s not what the text is saying the text is saying that Christ raising declared that Jeremiah you’re Justified miles you’re Justified that’s what the raising of Christ was it was a declaration your sins are forgiven your sins are forgiven and that’s why you can have peace with God so now they say um repeat that maybe again for me that Jesus couldn’t justify until he came in his Earthly Ministry and was was died suffered died and

Resurrected because my point is what do they do with the earlier part of Romans 4 that talks about how by Abraham’s Faith he believed God and it was counted legodi he was justified before God so this gets into a very long discussion which will probably prompt more uh questions from you it gets into their cist ology a little bit but it also gets into the sort of great controversy story line you have to understand so Herbert Douglas mentioned there that the limited gospel talks about why Jesus came and what he came to do well they’re wrong on that too they teach that Jesus came

Ultimately to vindicate the law from accusations made by Satan prior to the Earth’s existence that in heaven Jesus was exalted to be made equal with God the Father a very contested claim in advent’s circles you’ll find various people on various sides of the aisle that say no no no and they argue this but Ellen White claimed in her early christology back in 19 or 1858 that Jesus was exalted to be made equal with God the Father this made Lucifer jealous so he began rebelling and that’s how he became Satan and so he began attacking the law The Ten Commandments God’s

Government these sorts of phrases that she used and so because of that a great controversy started it’s those Central claims from that storyline that then inform everything else in their theology so why did Jesus come well it was to vindicate the law of God and demonstrate to all these watching intelligences on all these other planets and these other worlds that are watching in on the world because now there’s seeds of doubt that have been sowed because of Satan and God’s on trial and he has to vindicate himself and so the plan that he has enacted to walk out to do such involved

Jesus coming living a perfectly sinless life and demonstrating that the law can be kept he went to the cross and he paid the penalty for sin which is death and that demonstrated to all the watching intelligences humans the beings on other worlds Fallen Angels the angels that haven’t fallen that the law is fair it can be kept and that you can keep it too so because of that they also affirm kosis the kosis heresy of Philippians 2 that Jesus set his divine nature aside and he was only a man on Earth Ellen White claims in the Desire of Ages he had a sinful nature but he never sinned

Which is oxy moronic but he was no different than we are he had no advantage over us and so they they claim that he came to weave together a perfect robe of righteousness such that he could then impart that to us now this then gets into imputation versus impartation they try to appeal to John Wesley on this and say that well we’re just firmly in the Methodist tradition and I’ve tried to get Lucas CIO on here uh from uh method Ministries because I want to talk with him about that and I want to talk with him about that and say Hey how do you feel about this group trying to

Ride the coattails of your tradition and try and saddle you all with this mess of the investigative judgment the great controversy but nevertheless your your question maybe we I can bring you back and we can discuss that a little bit more it’s going to open up a big can of worms um to to I like how you br back in my what it’s interesting I’ll say real briefly is the same kind of questions that I asked the Church of Christ I find myself asking that the Adventist here and it’s it’s the same package with just a little bit different wrapping because you know our heart is

Trying to magnify Jesus Christ but all these cult groups it’s like uh we cling to Sabbath lawke keeping we we cling to the Commandment to be baptized and hope I don’t get you in trouble saying this but the Eastern Orthodox Church they’re saying you got to look to us as being the one true church there’s no salvation outside the Ark of us in Roman Catholicism is just another you know bag packaged a little bit differently and so the Everlasting gospel is by faith alone in Christ alone and that’s what gives peace yeah so it’s like we would have you and I would have differences for

Example with the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics on the subjective aspect of the Gospel the objective aspect is the detail the death burial resurrection of Christ Apostles Creed these sorts of things the subjective component is how is that now applied to you how does that now apply to your account that’s where we would differ with them well it’s the same with the seventh except they’re not even correct on the objective aspect of the Gospel they’re off on both the objective and the subjective aspect how it’s applied to you is off but also what the message

Even is and really they’re no different in this regard from a lot of the ecclesial groups basically we’re the true church you have to come join us um you’re outside the ark and you’re drowning in the water let’s get back into this we read the message of the second angel in Revelation 14:8 and another Angel followed saying Babylon has fallen has fallen that great City because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication The Book of Revelation is filled with symbols representing real entities and events now the second Angel warns that

Babylon the biblical symbol of false worship and coercion is going to fall God’s judgment is coming it is a plea to flee the confusion of Babylon and its false teachings and turn to Christ and his truth contained in scripture the second Angel’s message will have increasing relevance as the end draws near and its message is repeated in an even stronger way by the fourth angel of Revelation 18 who cries mightily with a loud voice pleading for God’s people to come out of Babylon okay so Revelation 148 Jeremiah another Adventist shows up at your door

Wanting to talk with you about their so-called gospel message this time they bring up this text and claim it’s telling us that it’s referring to churches outside of the SDA Church being apostate and fallen and that God has raised up the SDA a church to call people like yourself out of apostasy how are you going to respond yeah it’s probably going to be similar to earlier I’m going to ask well how do you know Babylon is all these things and we’re going to cycle back to this term Remnant uh the one true church a dis to me getting them to try to make two

Different gospels is exactly the kind of conversation that I want to have to show that no there’s only been one way to be reckoned with God and it doesn’t matter how many spous proof texts that they bring up out of the Book of Revelation I’ll remind them this is a book that magnifies Christ and shows us that there is spiritual warfare in the church always prevails yeah and just I mean the simple fact that their interpretation of Revelation apparently the Book of Revelation took on some new cryptic meaning in the 19th century just all of a sudden it just now has this new like

What did these texts mean to I have for example Andrew of cesaria commentary on Revel the earliest commentary of Revelation that that’s known from like theth Century what what did the Book of Revelation mean to a peasant Christian in the 900s what what what does your interpretation how does that apply to them it it doesn’t so you have to make some new novel secret understanding in the 19th century why what what but this is predicated upon their faulty sort of Miller idea that at the time of millerism you have to understand folks that there were people that they were

Were interacting with that were saying we can’t know for for 100% certain that our understanding of the apocalyptic passages of scripture are correct because there’s a lot of moving Parts there’s a lot of unknowns and that’s okay it’s not the end of the world the plain didactic portions of scripture are clear it’s okay if there’s some parts of scripture that are difficult Etc they weren’t okay settling for this they had to have some well we have this special Insight see no one else can understand Revelation but God has he rewarded their Obedience of studying the Bible by

Giving them special light and insight that no one else has and so that is underg guring the sort of claims that are going on here they can’t really get away from that but the second Angel’s message in Babylon so let me break this down so like the first angel I want to flesh this out more for the audience to better understand what they all what all is being claimed here and where exactly it’s coming from because obviously the biblical text says nothing about millerism Protestants Etc this is their interpretation and I’m going to keep emphasizing this and saying this this is

The Adventist interpretation the text does not just say this I get so so annoyed when they’ll just try and tell me they’ll cite a proof text and then just make dogmatic assertions no friend that’s your interpretation they don’t seem to understand that you’re just giving us your distilled down interpretation of the text yet you’re trying to act like the text just plainly says this and we’re ignoring it first in the exposition of their fundamental beliefs this is from the SDA 7 avist belief fundamental beliefs book they write quote in Revelation Babylon is also

Known as The Wicked Woman the mother of harlots and her impure daughters Revelation 175 it symbolizes all apostate religious organizations and their leadership though it refers especially to the great apostate religious alliance between the Beast and his image that will bring about the final crisis described in Revelation 1331 15-17 the second Angel’s message brings out the universal nature of babylon’s apostasy and her coercive power saying that she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication the wine of Babylon represents her

Heretical teachings Babylon will pressure the powers of the state to enforce universally her false religious teachings and decrees Babylon Falls because she rejects the first Angel’s message the gospel of righteousness by faith in the Creator as during the first few centuries the Church of Rome apostatized many Protestants today have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation this prophecy of babylon’s fall especially Finds Its fulfillment in the departure of protestantism at large from the Purity and simplicity of the Everlasting Gospel of righteousness by

Faith that once so powerful impelled the Reformation close quote now what’s fascinating about that final sentence is that the doctrines they allege are a falling away from Bible truth are doctrines that the first generation Protestants affirmed such as Sunday as the Lord’s Day literally none of them were seventh day sabbatarians even though they’ve tried rewriting history to claim that the waldenian were until John Calvin deceived them nevertheless they State all of this as fact and it’s because it’s what white tells them the text is saying again quote or or sorry first the

Text obviously says nothing about this representing Protestants being apostate and falling away from so-called Bible truth but it’s Ellen White that asserted Babylon here refers to apostate Protestants who are supposedly divided into innumerable sects and they possess no Unity with one another another laughable charge considering Jeremiah and I have far more Unity than the average Seventh Adventist does with the people in their own Tri we’ve read this quote I don’t know how many times on this platform so people can pause if you’d like to read it and it was also Ellen White that

Tells them on the next page of the same book that the Harlot woman of Revelation 175 is Roman Catholicism and her daughters are us Protestants now something that’s important to understand is that just like with their interpretation of the first Angel’s message they had to reinterpret this as time went on SDA historian George Knight notes this in his book seven search for identity the development of Seventh Day Adventist beliefs where he writes quote regarding the second Angel’s message of Revelation 148 the sabbatarians referring to the sabbatarian Adventists or the

Sabbatarian millerites continued to follow the lead of Charles Fitch in interpreting Babylon as including both apostate protestantism and Roman Catholicism as James White put it in 1859 we hesit unhesitatingly apply the Babylon of the Apocalypse to all corrupt Christianity corruption as he saw it involved both a moral fall and the intermingling of Christian teachings with non-Christian philosophers such as the immortality of the soul the latter left the churches defenseless against such beliefs as spiritualism Babylon in short stood for confused churches the

One important line of development set forth by the sabbatarians in regard to the second Angel’s message was to conceive of the fall of Babylon as a two-phase or Progressive Cur corruption close quote so the question has to be asked what does he mean by development this is the quote that the fundamental beliefs book is parting when they said that Babylon Falls because she rejects the first Angel’s message Ellen White claimed that the second Angel’s message was nearing its conclusion when the millerites proclaimed the loud cry during the summer and Autumn of

1844 now pay close attention to how she describes God’s rejection of the churches in 1844 as the churches refused to receive the first Angels message they rejected the light from heaven and fell down uh fell from the favor of God they trusted to their own strength and by opposing the first message placed themselves where they could not see the light of the second Angel’s message but the Beloved of God who were oppressed accepted the message Babylon has fallen and left the churches uh and left the churches near the close of the second Angel’s message I saw a great light from

Heaven shining upon the people of God the Rays of this light seemed bright as the sun and I heard the voice of the Angels crying behold the bridegroom cometh go ye out to meet him close quote so the rejection of what she’s calling the first Angel’s message here was the rejection of the message of Jesus’s return on October 22nd 1844 yet history shows that they were entirely Vindicated the people that did that because it was a deception but God apparently showed Ellen White that the churches that rejected their fanaticism and date setting had been rejected by

Him where she writes quote when the churches scorned the Council of God by rejecting the Advent message talking about millerism the Lord rejected them the first Angel was followed by a second proclaiming Babylon is Fallen is Fallen that great City because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication Revelation 148 this message was understood by ad to be an announcement of the moral fall of the churches in consequence of the rejection of the first message the proclamation Babylon is Fallen was given in the summer of 1844 and as the

Result about 50,000 withdrew from these churches close quote in fact she claimed that because of this our churches don’t have faith in God’s word we don’t love God and the Holy Spirit has been withdrawn from us only Adventist love God have faith in his word and have the Holy Spirit apparently as she says here in the story of Redemption on page 366 but wait Dr Knight told us that there was a development around this Doctrine right well yes because Ellen White changed her mind first she said that the second Angel’s message was a call to leave the churches because they

Were morally Fallen due to rejecting millerism by which she meant they rejected the belief in the literal physical Second Coming outright which is obvious absurd she more than likely recognized this herself which is why the second Angel’s message then became about going to church on Sunday and believing in the immortality of the Soul two things that weren’t even being discussed when they were heralding the millerite message before 1844 they cite an article of hers from the review in Herald in her in their Bible commentary where they note this change which is ultimately what Dr

Knight the fundamental beliefs book and Ted Wilson are all getting at these two doctrines going to church on Sunday and the immortality of the Soul are the false doctrines of Babylon and why God has rejected us supposedly notice quote this is from the SDA Bible commentary on Revelation 18 1:2 this is the same message that was given by the second Angel Babylon has fallen because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication what is that wine her false doctrines she’s given to the world a false Sabbath instead of the Sabbath of the fourth

Commandment and has repeated the falsehood that Satan first told to Eve in Eden the natural immortality of the Soul many kindered errors she has spread far and wide teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men close quote but fear not because of course Ellen White claimed to have a defense and reason for this drastically different understanding which is that both the first and second Angels messages needed repeated and can apparently take on entirely new meanings the second go around when things didn’t originally pan out notice that is from manuscript releases volume

16 quote the whole earth is to be lighted with the glory of the Lord the pure in heart shall see God it’s those who are following the lamb uh withs soever he goeth that he receiveth power from the angel that came down from heaven having great power the first message is to be repeated proclaiming the second Advent of Christ to our world the second Angel’s message is to be repeated Babylon the greatest Fallen is fallen and has become the habitation of devils and the of every foul spirit and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird for all nations have drunk of the wine

Of the wrath of her fornication and the kings of the Earth have committed fornication with her and the merchants of the Earth are waxed Rich through the abundance of her Delicacies close quote now I get that the video we listening to is just an overview of the fundamental belief but even the exposition of their beliefs don’t explain all of this to people because they’d obviously rather leave this part off of their path in the dust bin of History to be forgotten but we’re supposed to believe that this is what’s going on in Revelation 148 the first

Angel’s message is repeated proclaiming the imminent second coming of Christ just like the first go around except wait it’s actually about the investigative judgment to similarly when the second Angel’s message is repeated the same thing happened now it’s allegedly focused on the Sabbath and the immortality of the Soul originally though it was about rejecting the first message which was believed to be about Christ’s imminent return but according to Ellen White was truly about the investigative judgment I am sorry folks I’m sorry but this is insulting that

They expect us to believe this it is a total mess of confusion which is rather ironic considering they also tell us that Ellen White was supposed to be part of the Hallmark of them being the remnant and and distinct from Babylon is that they’re supposed to be United in ways that the rest of us aren’t Ellen White’s function was supposed to be one of keeping them from being doctrinally confused like all of us Babylonian Protestants now Jeremiah I know that that was a lot but as a pastor what are your thoughts on all of this one of my biggest thoughts is when

One person leads a movement or claims that they have an infallible interpretation of God’s word this is what you get this is when you have an infallible magisterium or you have the Watchtower or you have a living Prophet like LG white there’s no such thing as studying the scripture looking for harmony logical consistency it doesn’t matter because one person is is leading the way and so I just want to encourage people um if you have a controlling Source a controlling person or group that’s the the signs of a cult a leader somebody whose interpretation cannot be

Questioned um this is where me and my would unite greatly on uh the scripture has to be the sole infallible Authority in the life of of the Christian we are to test like what we’re doing we’re testing what Ellen White says with the scriptures like the noble bans we’re we’re testing um all things and holding fast to that which is good which is the bar of scripture kind of off camera here uh John 1717 Jesus says father sanctify them in the truth your word is truth and so just from a pastoral perspective um you’re bringing out the deception that creeps into to the church into

Communities and leads people astray and yeah miles it definitely breaks my heart yeah and this just further proves that Christians cannot fall for the bait when this organization tries saying stuff like no we’re Christians just like you we’re on the same team no once again we see that Christians are not United with adventism I’m sorry I’m sorry Adventists are nice people Jeremiah great people that’s why I’m doing this that’s why this exists not because I hate Adventist I love Adventist I want Adventist to come know the truth but we need to call

A spade a spade we need to call it as it is we’re supposedly apostate God showed Ellen White all this you can’t just broad brush that away you can’t just handwave that away this was allegedly shown to her in Vision she claimed things like our pastors are deceived by Satan they’re tools of Satan that are using the Bible to lead people astray because in these apost State Protestant churches They Don’t Really check the Bible for themselves they just believe the Bible as their Pastor tells it to them which is so ironic considering that’s exactly what adventism is for the

Most part it’s just repeating the the system evil angels are masquerading as Christians in our churches we’re worse than Heathen God hates our prayers they’re an Abomination to him all these sorts of things yet out the other side of the mouth it’s no no no we’re Christians just like you brother no we’re the enemy in their scope and they take an entire chapter of scripture that’s about the wicked and apply it to us don’t fall for it folks the third Angel’s message contains the most solemn warning found in the Bible saying with a loud voice if anyone

Worships the Beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand he also will drink the wine of God’s Wrath poured full strength into the cup of his anger and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the Holy Angels and in the presence of the Lamb friends this final crisis involves true and false worship a time is coming when everyone on Earth will decide whether they will worship the Beast and His Image receiving his Mark or will by the grace of God be true to him and receive his seal the proclamation of these very

Important messages is the mission of God’s Remnant people all right so Jeremiah now we get to one of the SDA Church’s favorite subjects one that they think they have a bulletproof understanding of the mark of the beast what Ted presented was rather General it’ll have to do with true and false worship which will determine if you’re marked or sealed and he said Revelation 149 is the most solemn warning in the entire Bible before we look more closely at the SDA Church’s claims the audience wants to know what would you posit that the mark of the beast

Is for one I would begin of saying you don’t want to start with that and build everything on top of it but I would it’s funny because I’ve changed ecologies over the years I’ll just tell people I was that U premillennial dispensation waiting for the Rapture and so it’s funny because I had that kind of answer where now you know I I look at the Book of Revelation is kind of you know um it’s rehashing cycles of how the church is being persecuted and so when I think about the mark of the beast I’m not for one taking that hyper literal right um I’m but I’m thinking about what first

John said how there are already Antichrist among you those that have pledged allegiance to Satan you have a uh you have the mention of the man of lawlessness in um verse second Thessalonians in there and so I I don’t claim to know but I I think of being in a good spot is when you have rejected the gospel of grace and you have embraced uh the lies of Satan ultimately yeah I’m in the uh GK be’s like modified idealism the the school of like modified idealis M I think that it it gives the best presentation um that doesn’t fall into either ditch so um the

Futurist idea basically devoids the text from really having any sort of application to Generations prior to always the present Generation Um The historicist View which is essentially what they’re part of does a a similar thing and then the uh the prist view I think completely um relegates it to the past and it doesn’t necessarily have a present– day application and so I’m I’m of the opinion opinion that that the modified idealist understanding uh can both deal with the the original audience that John was writing to as well as the present day that it’s essentially um any

Person who is um part of the kingdom of darkness you you don’t have now they’re not going to tell you the Seal of God is the holy spirit like Paul explicitly says in Ephesians 1113 um but I would argue that because the seal is the spirit of God um if you don’t have the spirit of God you by default are part of the kingdom of darkness and you are essentially part and marked for that domain and that’s how it can have application in basically every generation um it’s not just relegated to some future thing at some point in the future of like a microchip or you know

All these crazy theories that you’ll oftentimes hear in like the dispensationalist um schools but let’s talk here about the mark of and the seal so I can break this down for you and and you can get a better picture of what all they’re saying here because again he Ram rotted a lot in there if you understand the language so to really meaningfully engage with an Adventist folks on this subject which is something I see a lot of people wanting to do it is really important to understand what all they are claiming they are not saying I repeat they are not saying that the mark

Of the beast is a present reality they’re not saying it’s a present reality if you say that to an Adventist they’re G to immediately just dismiss everything else that you have to say because it’s such a basic thing that they’re going to say oh well if you can’t even get that right then I’m it’s not even going to listen to you they don’t believe it’s a present reality it only becomes a present reality once the image of the Beast becomes a reality which they claim is a form of apostate religion that will develop when church and state unite and enforce a national

Sunday worship and rest law Ted is simply paraphrasing what the exposition of their beliefs book says where they write quote the third Angel’s message proclaims the most solemn and fearful warning in the Bible it reveals that those who submit to human authority in Earth’s final crisis will worship the beast in His image rather than God during this final Conflict two distinct classes will develop one class will Advocate a gospel of human deisings and will worship the beast in His image bringing upon themselves the most Grievous judgments the other class in

Market contrast will live by the true gospel and keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Revelation 14 9-12 the final issue involves true and false worship the true or when this issue is clearly brought before the world those who reject God’s Memorial of creatorship the Bible Sabbath choosing to worship and honor Sunday in the full knowledge that it is not God’s appointed day for worship will receive the mark of the beast this Mark is a mark of rebellions the Beast claims it its change of the day of worship ship shows it Authority even over God’s law the

Third Angel’s message directs the world’s attention to the consequences of refusing to accept the Everlasting gospel and God’s message of the restoration of true worship close quote so they proof text Revelation 149 just like Ted did followed by all sorts of grandio assertions that are supposedly just plainly there in the text despite the millerites entirely missing that the text had the investigative judgment 7th A7 arianism investigative judgment or I said that sorry in the immortality of the Soul Etc but all of this is asserted dogmatically because Ellen White was

Allegedly shown all of this Invision for starters she arrant claimed that the pope changed the Sabbath to try and support this they’ll point to various statements from people like Cardinal Gibbons who said the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of worship they then read into these quotes that they’re saying the pope did this when in actuality by the church they mean the apostles because they believe the apostles were the first Roman Catholics and they claim that the first day of worship was instituted by Jesus who began such with the apostles who then handed it down to

The present day so she’s just objectively wrong here but that’s where the assertion is coming from that the Beast claims to change the day of worship it was Ellen White who claimed to be shown by God that in the end of time there will be two classes of people with the dividing line being the Sabbath the book doesn’t even cite her on this claim but they always verba they almost verbatim copy this over from a quote from great controversy without telling people again two pages later they almost cited this exactly verbatim without noting such she proof text Isaiah 186 or

8:16 to say this proves that the Bible teaches that the Ten Commandments have a seal and it’s in the fourth Commandment and when the Sabbath was was uh fictitiously Changed by the Pope the Seal of the La was actually taken from it which is why she also included that in the duty of the that the duty of the true Apostles of Jesus is to restore this seal back to its rightful position eventually apostate protestantism and Roman Catholicism will unite forming what they believe to be the image of the Beast a church state union which will legislate that everyone

Small great rich and poor will have to worship and rest on Sundays it is at this point the mark of the beast will begin to get issued this oh sorry I went ahead this will eventually culminate in all of us apostate Christians uniting with the world under a delusion of Satan where we’ll allegedly be blinded by him see only as he sees and feel as he feels we will begin oppressing the humble remnant of Adventists and Crush out their freedom to worship on Saturdays so much so that she claimed the entire world is going to be stirred with enmity towards Seventh Day

Adventist since us apostates will allegedly be United with all the Buddhists and Hindus and Muslims and atheists we’re g to be so hopping mad that they won’t worship on Sundays that eventually the entire world is gonna hate them this is going to lead to supposedly a death decree going forth where it’s going to be sanctioned to hunt Adventists down globally and have them put to death and as you can see the time of trouble was supposed soon to break upon them back in 1890 just like it was present truth to believe such in 1849 as well which Ellen White also endorsed en

Vision and as she notes in that final sentence here only the Adventists who keep the law perfectly will stand the test as Jesus said the entire law is summarized in love for God and love for neighbor only those who actually keep the law perfectly will be able to make it through the time of trouble and be saved because as she also claimed a single spot or stain upon the character will keep one from receiving the Seal of God the same thing being said in great controversy by the way for all the Adventists that just had an internal crisis moment and thought that this was

Just a one-off claim nope sorry I cite this all the time she said the condition that Jesus was in is the identical condition that you’ll need to be found in if you want to make it through the time of trouble which Jeremiah you may not know this sorry you may not know this but she claimed that this is because you’ll have to stand before God without a mediator Jesus will cease being such and if you aren’t sinlessly perfect Satan’s going to get you during the time of trouble you’ll sin you’ll have stains on your character you won’t receive the seal Etc

All of that mess is included in their teaching on this brother what are your thoughts on all of that if you don’t have a mediator uh a perfect mediator then you will suffer the the full just wrath of God on true Judgment Day so the fact that you’re kind of bringing out that they deny that Jesus will somehow they’ll say that he’ll cease being your mediator that just that goes against such clear teaching uh part of Jesus’s Heavenly Ministry now he he is ruling and reigning now on our behalf interceding on our behalf before God the father so when I hear that it just breaks my heart

And it lets me know how much further outside of the faith that they actually are and yeah they have to suction off of true Orthodoxy and like you were saying earlier and pretend that they are Christian right but that’s just to try to um get in your ear to kind of shoehorn all of what Ellen G white’s saying yeah to begin prizz you yeah I know it’s like Hebrews 7 explicitly says multiple times and the author is citing from the Suter it’s like this was foretold but long before the New Testament that Jesus is a priest forever I mean I’ve heard so many excuses to

This it’s just crazy the mental gymnastics that they’ll go through to try and uphold this well he’ll the office will be there forever but he won’t be being a mediator I’ve heard that I’ve heard it doesn’t say that I I mean it just it does friend then then they’ll come back with wol if he’s gonna be a mediator forever you’re saying that there’s going to be sin forever because they don’t understand that the mediation of Christ is tied to the Incarnation it’s tied to him being the God man he’s going to forever be the God man not just that but they also

Don’t understand that the priesthood of Christ being after the order of melchisedek is a simultaneous priest king role Ellen White claimed to be shown in Vision that when he ceases being a mediator he’s going to take off his Priestly garments which are supposed to symbolize His function as a priest and he’s going to put on his kingly garments so he’ll assume the role of a king at that point they don’t see it as a simultaneous role again Hebrews 7 is very clear melchisedec was a priest king a simultaneous role so they just don’t understand the Incarnation they don’t

Understand it’s it’s funny because they try to claim that Christians don’t actually understand the the Priestly Ministry of Christ that that Christians don’t understand the Heavenly role of Christ and part of their Duty in this present truth restoration of Truth is to restore the truth about what Christ is doing up in heaven yet they’re completely off like I said you you’ll notice too that there was no mention of Ephesians 11133 here when it comes to the Seal of God even though again this is another area where it’s just the plain the plain didactic portions of

Scripture become obscure you’ll get long- winded hopscotching all over the biblical text to try and infer that the fourth Commandment is a seal and that it’s in contrast to the mark of the beast and so on but Ephesians 1:13 explicitly saying the holy spirit is the Seal of God oh that’s ignored um you know said to be a second seal on top of the Sabbath or it’s claimed that the Holy Spirit does the ceiling but isn’t the seal itself despite the text verbatim saying such but a bonus point for you because Ted didn’t mention this the third Angel’s message of

Revelation 14 also apparently includes the announcement of the Adventist Health message and that one needs to adhere to a plant-based diet she claimed that the avenus health message is the right arm of the gospel and that it’s a part of the third Angel’s message just as closely connected with it as the arm and the hand are from the body quote the health reform I was shown is a part of the third Angel’s message and is just as closely connected with it as are the arm and the hand with the human body I saw that we as a people must take an advanced move in this great work

Ministers and people must act in concert God’s people are not prepared for the loud Cry of the third Angel they have a work to do for M themselves which they should not leave for God to do for them he has left this work for them to do it is an individual work one cannot do it for another close quote on top of the fact that she said it Al uh on top of that fact she also claimed that if you reject the health message you reject God because he’s the one that revealed the truth of it quote God gave the light on health reform and those who reject it re

Or those who rejected it rejected God one and another who who knew better said it all come uh came from Dr Kellogg and they made War upon him this had a bad influence on the doctor he put on the Cod of irritation and retaliation God did not want him to stand in the position of warfare and he does not want you to stand there close quote so Jeremiah I’m not sure if you knew that but the Everlasting gospel also includes that you need to adopt a plant-based diet otherwise your soul is at risk oh my no I didn’t know that yeah so this gets into their idea of well Heaven is a

Return to Eden and Adam and Eve were only able to eat plants uh and they ate a plant-based diet and so while you’re on probation now which is a whole another can of worms um you have to demonstrate that you can adhere to the Heavenly diet you know you’re going to be in beatific Vision in the presence of incredible Holiness and you’re going to be thinking ah man I wish I could eat a steak it’s so unfortunate that I can only eat vegetables here yeah God has his children in all churches but through the remnant church he proclaims a message that is to

Restore his true worship by calling his people out of apostasy and prepare them for Christ’s return it is only through God’s grace and relying on him that the remnant can accomplish their god-given mission you can learn more about God’s Remnant church and its Mission by visiting the URL at the bottom of the screen I also encourage you to read the amazing book The Great controversy which is available free in multiple languages at egw writings. org friends the end is near Jesus is coming soon now is the time to give our hearts fully to him and become a part of

God’s Remnant people fulfilling the mission he has called us to do I invite you to become a part of that mission today so brother after all you’ve heard God has children in all churches even those Heathen Sunday ones were Satan’s taking over and he’s using them as His pawns what are your thoughts on what he said in light of everything that we’ve looked at tonight it’s it’s a contradiction I mean are we in Babylon or are we not are we a part of a kind of church but not the one true church what does that mean like I to me are we Children of the devil or are we not I

Just I don’t I don’t understand it well you’re in luck because I’m about to explain it to you so you asked a question earlier and I said we’re GNA get to that we’re now at that part of the presentation okay sweet so after everything we’ve looked at they’re still going to tell you no no no God has people in all churches actually Alan white said the majority of God’s people are in other churches we’re not saying we’re the only ones that’ll be saved yeah folks you have to understand what is meant by this interestingly but not surprising Ted didn’t expound upon

The full scope of what they mean by this and the evidence for such is on their own website on the web page for this fundamental belief that Ted is explaining here the remnant and its mission which is literally just coming from the fundamental beliefs book explaining this fundamental belief they write quote the Apostle John the last of Jesus’s disciples and the one who wrote Revelation tells us exactly who Satan will Target Satan’s goal is to harm those who keep God’s Commandments and believe what Jesus taught but among the lawlessness of the corrupt World God

Will call for his devoted followers to separate themselves from those who have rejected him then I heard another voice from Heaven saying come out of Babylon my people lest you take part of her sins lest you share in her plagues for her sins are heaped as high as heaven and God has remembered her iniquities Revelation 18 4-5 those who do not come out of the wickedness of the world will be subject to the same fate as Satan utter destruction God refuses to let sin go on forever and those who hold on to sin will have to account for their deeds 2 Corinthians 5:10 close quote so we saw

Earlier that Ellen White said the humble Remnant is going to be attacked by those evil Wicked Protestants and Catholics and who will be United with the world we’re going to see as Satan sees feel as he feels be full of indignation toward Adventist and we are what Satan is using to attack the humble Pious Remnant who keep the law and had this special prophetic utterance from Jesus Etc if we don’t come join them we’re no different than the Wicked World world and share in the same fate as Satan utter destruction they continue quote but God’s Remnant

People are not just supposed to hide in holes as they separate themselves from The World God has a job for his people to do a message they will deliver for many people this message will make the difference between eternal life with God and the permanent second death all who hear it will have to make a single vital decision either to follow God or side with Satan and share his fate close quote so the remnant isn’t supposed to fear the wicked Christians that they say will one day hunt them down globally don’t hide in holes God has a special job and message for them to take to us

Apostates upon doing so once a person hears it they have to make the life or death decision to either join them which is equated with serving God or side with Satan and share in his fate utter destruction so folks don’t fall for Ted Wilson’s posturing here and the sweet sappy background music God only has people in other churches in so far as they haven’t heard the SDA message yet and and need to come join the SDA they claim the end won’t come until their novel message has gone to the whole planet every trib tongue people and Nation because they equate this novel

Message with what goes to every tribe tongue people and Nation not what Christians are taking to the world and that really answers uh you know the question in Focus tonight unfortunately Christians are not on the same Mission as the SDA Church they believe they are called out and separate from the rest of us they are sharing a different message at the end of the day the SDA Church sees their mission as taking their novel message to the world as their mission statement plainly says and now everyone knows what all is being Trojan horsed into this phrase Three

Angels messages as well as some of the rocky history surrounding its doctrinal development the SDA church is here to get you hooked on Prophecy and make you feel like you have a special insight into such let no one else does and it’s this special Gnostic Insight that’s going to bring you closer to God than all of those Wicked Sunday Christians out there we just listened to an SDA Pastor in the members only section on on the channel who outright said the data shows that the SDA Church’s Evangelistic efforts are most successful with evangelicals who already have a bent

Towards Bible prophecy Christians need to understand that this organization ultimately considers itself to be distinct and separate we’re Babylon they’re supposedly are the ones keeping the law Ellen White said they’re the depositories of God’s law and in every generation God has had a people who they were the depositories of his law and the s church is that at the end of time they have a prophet with a special prophetic word from Jesus that no one else does and this unique prophetic word is essentially a restoration of the Full Gospel the complete gospel the

Everlasting Three Angels messages present truth only for the end times gospel that the apostles didn’t even preach we need to be sharing the true gospel with Seventh Day Adventist folks lots of them do not like me saying this and that’s fine but again a spade is a spade Christians have to understand that behind all of the language is a different message a different Mission a different gospel and a different God Etc which is why the call of this platform is for Adventists to come out of her my people there are sheep that are caught in this movement that the

Triune God is absolutely calling out they have ears to hear and we trust that the Lord is a powerful savior not a potential one and they will be led out may God use this effort for days weeks and years to come for the advancement of his kingdom brother would you mind closing us out by sharing the gospel It Be My Honor so the gospel is a proclamation of good news and so why do we need good news because we are all sinners before the one true God who is Holy Holy Holy and so he will execute his Justice um on law Breakers and so we deserve Wrath for our sin because

Ultimately all of our sin is aimed vertical against God The God Who gave you breath the god that sustains your life and we’ve all went astray from birth we’ve all sought our own way and our own devices and we have transgressed God’s perfect law which is holy righteous and good the book of Acts uh many individuals asked the questions hey what s what must I do to be saved saved from my sin saved from this temporary world of of Destruction well believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved when we put our faith in Christ we’re saying a faith plus nothing not

Your obedient Works to a a a list of commands um like the command to be baptized or to keep the the Sabbath day holy uh the Sabbath we find in Jesus Christ he perfectly kept the Sabbath holy and so the Christians true rest true shalom is in Christ who not only suffered and died on our behalf but he resurrected the third day and so we celebrate a new Sabbath in Jesus Christ thank you so much God bless